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AUSTRALIAN MEDIA NOT HELPING (Including you Scarfman).

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MajorlyRagerly

Trevor Allan (34)
Seeing a team get away with clearly coached professional fouls detracts from enoyment of the game.

My final point on this topic, is simply a re-iteration of my thoughts on this sort of comment. If Australia were playing this way, I don't believe it would spoil your enjoyment of the game in the slightest. You are welcome to claim to the contrary, but I simply won't believe you.

You can interpret that as you feel.

MR out.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Seeing a team get away with clearly coached professional fouls detracts from enoyment of the game.

You must of hated Aus rugby for a few years then, pretty well since Ben Darwin got wounded we have been masters of the professional foul
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
MR and Fatprop you inadvertantly I assume prove my point. You latched onto what I thought was an obvious invitation and focused on a single point missing the whole thrust of the post.

Using the argument regarding not enjoying the Wallabies play for a long time is just as invalid as the others.

The facts that I totally agree that the Wallabies were obviously deficient in the scrum 2002 til 2007 and used illegal tactics to gain parity in many cases and going back further the Macqueen constant recycle game was really a blatant killing of the ruck by the first and second arriving players going to ground or at best bridging. And yes there has been little joy in watching Oz play for quite a while. I always approach each new season and even each game with hope, and each game is a bit of anticipation that they will finally get it together

I thought these things back then and if a board has been around then for me to post on saying those things then I will assert that I would have. If anybody doubts that have a look back through my posts and you will see that I hold everyone regardless of club or nation to the same yard stick. I just want to see Rugby how I have seen it played. To see teams score of blatant forward passes, offside play etc is cringe worthy.

These things however are an aside to what I posted. Go back and read what I said. Scarfman's vid was and is correct. The Wallabies problems are theirs alone and until they address them they will not win a top level game and will continue to struggle against "traditionally" lower level rivals.
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
My final point on this topic, is simply a re-iteration of my thoughts on this sort of comment. If Australia were playing this way, I don't believe it would spoil your enjoyment of the game in the slightest. You are welcome to claim to the contrary, but I simply won't believe you.

You can interpret that as you feel.

MR out.

Era, look at this way, MR; at least he's outed himself as never having been a forward - and can therefore be disregarded. ;)
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Discuss
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
Thanks, Gagger, that's the one I was asking for the other day.

There's definitely something to explain, because for the Bokke and Wobblies, they're on a par and where you'd expect.
 

JJJ

Vay Wilson (31)
No great surprises there, gagger. So does Paddy have his position for life? Is there any light at the end of the tunnel? The only extenuating circumstance I can put forward is that NZ have played most of their matches at home, where you typically get the rub of the green from refs. Not that Australia did against them in Melbourne, but in SA things might even up a bit.
 

Richo

John Thornett (49)
I'd love to see warnings too. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the ABs have been warned at least as much as the other teams (if not more), they just don't get yellows very often. Which means that either:

1) The ABs never repeat the infringement they were warned against, or
2) The ABs repeat the infringement and the referee does not give a yellow.

A particularly interesting piece of video work would be a compilation of all the instances in which teams in this Tri-Nations -- not just the ABs -- are warned and then repeat the infringement.

Finally, Scarfie -- good on you for making that video and standing behind it. Top stuff, mate.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Yes, that is all good a well, but, apart from Mitchell's second yellow, haven't all the Saffa and Oz yellows been for foul play?
 

MajorlyRagerly

Trevor Allan (34)
Guys, don't let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy story. I see it's made the front page now too, which is good. Because lets face it, all the yellow cards were for constant infringing, weren't they. Oh that's right, they weren't.

That's MR out from G & GR for a while now. Will be back when there's rugby being spoken, hope it's sooner rather than later.
 
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Linus

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Reposting from the front page. As is probably more appropriate here... and added a comment.

Anyone who doesn’t support the AB’s knows that, from watching the games, that there is a method to the madness. They are expert at playing the referee and will take every opportunity given. It is a sensible tactic, just as the SAfricans will happily infringe offside, the Wallabies will delibrately knock a pass down given an overlap. There are components of play the different teams adopt and are reflections of the competitions in which they play coming through.

They will happily give away multiple penalties within the 22 as well, as soon as the opposition has not taken the option to shoot at goal. I would love to analyse where the penalties take place to confirm my suspicion. I’m often struck by the cynical nature of alot of the play as well. You rarely see the All Blacks give away a try after a half break when compared to other teams. Yes they scramble well but they refuse to allow a breakdown the same opportunity to form as they would outside the 22.

And this has been the standard operational proceedure for multiple seasons (I might even suggest further back). But when the style of play was like last year where it was a goal kicking competition, they lost that competition (No DC). Perhaps it’s an underlying reason why World Cups result in a lost along the way tends to be a tight contest in the Quarters onwards that favours kicking sides, she that SAffers have probably the best record at WC's. And somewhat explains (IMO) the consistant winning record against the WB’s, as we want to score tries than kick goals.

I think Scarfman has taken the time to point out a valid issue. It's just easy to sound like sour grapes and deflect it through criticism of the motive. I would have hoped the the coaching staff would have recognised and come up with counter this. The reality of any rugby game is that it is the interpretation of the referee that dictates how the game will be played.
 
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Linus

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And for majorly...the idea of the yellow is to stop the professional foul, in additon to foul play.
So in some way your point is correct, but it only lessens the impact of the graph.

I seem to remember in the first match of the 3n that in the first 10 minutes that the first yellow was for a professional foul about 10 out from the Saffers line. I was watched with a South African and we discussed whether it was merited. My point at the time was that as long as the opposition are held to the same standard, I'm happy. Which is the underlining point, why does it seem that only one side is being refereed.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Guys, don't let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy story. I see it's made the front page now too, which is good. Because lets face it, all the yellow cards were for constant infringing, weren't they. Oh that's right, they weren't.

That's MR out from G & GR for a while now. Will be back when there's rugby being spoken, hope it's sooner rather than later.

Hehe, is that a real "MR out", like the other one on this page?

A tip MR, if you don't like these topics, don't read them! I hope you do though because the flounces are hilarious. Especially the drunk ones!

Back to the rugby - if you're saying the ABs should've been yellowed more for the repeated infringements they got penalised more for, but instead picked up warnings or nothing - the stats agree.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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I'm with Gagger, MR. I'll miss the drunk posts especially!! Saves me having to get smashed and embarrass myself.
If I can put up with some of the "regulars" at TSF, surely you can handle us?
You know you'll miss us....
 

Langthorne

Phil Hardcastle (33)
I think the first "MR out" was more a 'Scarfman motive infringement final warning', whereas the latter "MR out" was more of a 'general infringement global warning'.
 
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