Aus vs NZ - 1st Test Sydney 17Aug2013
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crazycrusader
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apparently you guys over in oz think you are gonna get back the cup with pretty much the same players but different coaching staff, am i missing something here, you can only coach what you have, and thjis aussie team does not scare me, ps please play cooper we love it over here when he is in the team
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folau should be a winger he is not experienced enough to play fullback
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Tony Shaw (54)
If this is true, can you name someone who played better at 15 in the second half of the Super season? Mogg was impressive in the first half but went off the boil in the second. JOC (James O'Connor) was very variable, Beale and Coleman are injured, who else? I watched Folau closely this year and he has some good 15 qualities:
- His run return is sensational.
- His out-of-hand kicking is very good and quite long. He didn't do it much due to the Tahs gameplan but when he did it he was reliable and long.
- His catching safety under the high ball is unmatched anywhere.
- His ability to chime into the backline and make metres is sensational.
- His defensive positioning and tackling is very reliable.
I like to select two fullbacks and a crashballer/elusive runner for the outside backs. For this reason I'd have Mogg and Cummins as wingers with Folau at 15. Moggs running doesn't get much scope at the Brumbies because they kick when they are in their own half, but he has shown glimpses of pace and elusiveness that in my mind make him a prime wing candidate.
Link comes from the same culture as Cheika, so I predict we might see a 15 who runs it back a lot, whereas Deans was more culturally aligned to White in having a more conservative approach. Jim McKay has the same cultural heritage as Link too.
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if beale wasn't injured id pick him at 15 folau and cummins on the wings, id go with a natural 15 its too crucial a role to put someone there who has no experience there at international level,
who would you have other than folau at 15?
who would you have other than folau at 15?
Their names are Folau and Cummins.
Neither Folau or Mogg have much experience at international level. Folau has 3 caps on the wing and Mogg has one.
Fullback is a crucial role however, by definition, you eventually have to put someone there with no international experience in that position. Surely a season as close to, if not the best fullback in Super Rugby is the best practice you can get to fill the role.
Right now I would put Folau at fullback for the Wallabies regardless of Beale being injured or not. Folau has just been in much better form in 2013 and hasn't been plagued by off field dramas.
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crazycrusader
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well i guess if you want to have a rookie fullback against the all blacks well good luck to you sir
Mr Doug
Dick Tooth (41)
A backline of
Genia To'omua Speight Lilo AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) Folau Mogg
Is my dream backline. Yes, full of Brumbies, but it isn't just my bias as reasoning!
Swap Mogg for Beale, and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is the only "white-fella" in the backline. Do all the young Anglo-Saxon aspiring Wallaby backs have to go OS? Will we become the "Wallaby All-Blacks"?
Nothing racist, it's just where we seem to be heading!
Umm... they're not called the All Blacks because their players aren't white.
Every aspiring Wallaby back, regardless of ethnicity should just be striving to get better because that is what is needed if they want to go from aspiring to be a Wallaby to being a Wallaby.
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crazycrusader
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just saying it wasn't racist made it sound racist lol all link is doing is picking best available players i don't see how the color of the skin makes a difference anyway, its not white australia bro
I'm not sure there are too many bold predictions from over here that we'll take the Bledisloe. For starters, McKenzie has just taken the reins, his squad might be a little different to that which Deans may have chosen (so a bit untested in areas) and 2 of the 3 Bledisloe games are in New Zealand.
It would be a very bold Aussie rugby fan to predict a series win!
That said, I think there is more optimism with the new regime, so that's a plus. I think fans here expect a good showing.
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crazycrusader
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It would be a very bold Aussie rugby fan to predict a series win!
That said, I think there is more optimism with the new regime, so that's a plus. I think fans here expect a good showing.[/quote]
im hoping aussie sorts their @$%^ out and improves, there's nothing like a great test against us two, once oz gets the powerhouse forwards again oz will be a threat, you always had smooth backs just missing the ruthlessness and hardness in the forwards thats where the game is won
That said, I think there is more optimism with the new regime, so that's a plus. I think fans here expect a good showing.[/quote]
im hoping aussie sorts their @$%^ out and improves, there's nothing like a great test against us two, once oz gets the powerhouse forwards again oz will be a threat, you always had smooth backs just missing the ruthlessness and hardness in the forwards thats where the game is won
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John Eales (66)
And......?
What exactly is your point Doug? Racial quotas to play for the Wallabies? Last I checked they are all Aussies.
Mr Doug
Dick Tooth (41)
Read the words again CC. It is a genuine concern in Rugby, plus every week listeners to "Talkin' Sport" on the Super Radio network (going to over 30 stations in NSW and SE QLD) ring in with their concerns about the proliferation of Pacific Islanders into Rugby League.
You may chose to ignore the facts, but you can't escape them.
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John Eales (66)
Not quite. I think most of us here reckon that the talent pool across Australia has the makings of a very good Wallaby team. What has been missing has been the right game plan and selection of players in their best positions. I seem to recall that with a small number of exceptions, both Dwyer (2nd time around) and MacQueen took under performing teams and set them on the right path. Why wouldn't a similarly credentialled coach in McKenzie be expected to do the same?
I don't think anyone is seriously contemplating wresting back the Bleddie simply because Link is coach and certainly not right away, but most think he will perform better as Wallaby coach. If he doesn't win the Bleddie within the next couple of seasons then I would imagine he'll lose his job.
Mr Doug
Dick Tooth (41)
They're facts, TBH, nothing sinister, nothing new. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean they don't exist!
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John Eales (66)
I'm still not sure what your point is or what you're trying to say.
Pacific Islanders are good at good at rugby league and rugby union?
Kids of Ango-Saxon heritage should stop playing on their Playstation and get out and train more?
A bunch of xenophobic racists listen to the Super Radio Network?
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crazycrusader
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so correct me if im wrong there is a debate going on about that to shock horror there is pacific islanders who want to play league, who do play league and union? Would Australia prefeer it to be only white players play in your league and union teams, alot of these brown boys being playing those said sports since they were teenagers in your country or you steal them from us (league) you called add a couple of kiwi union boys wink wink, heck those boys are contributing to your country some lavishly with taxes and such. I don't see what the big deal is, and it reeks of racism
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