On the funding issue... is there any transparency as to what the true cost of the program is after the parent / fundraising / sponsorship contributions?
ARU Junior Gold Cup - National Junior Championships
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Jim Clark (26)
Just what we have been talking about at our local club up here in Qld. It's very much like a number of clubs have to pull together in the later grades to form regional teams.
To use our local club as an example, the U15s are surprisingly strong but are unable to form a team in the 16s or 17s. So they have spoken to the surrounding clubs to form some teams in this age group who have also been unable to make up a team.
It's a sad sight indeed to see halve a dozen keen boys rock up to a club and be unable to play. The clubs collectively need to address it president to president as I don't believe the direction will come from the BJRU and maintain some of the momentum from the JGC. Which culminates for us QLDers point of view this Saturday against NSW at Ballymore.
Let's see if the Reds can finally win something this season!!
Chris McCracken
Jim Clark (26)
It's a real concern. We have teams in the same boat here. Our under 17 Gold boys will play Colts this year to improve the quality of football. They will also play under 17s.
Unfortunately, the competition will have a reduced number of teams or will play with reduced numbers on the field for the 17s competition.
For us, the Colts competition fills the gap for those players. Also, since we have an under 17s team, some of the 15s may be able to be assessed to play up.
I'm sure those options aren't available in every case, though.
Adam Osborne
Frank Nicholson (4)
There are great professional photos of the U17 final here:
http://www.johanschmidtphotography.com/u17goldcup_wa_act_20150329
http://www.johanschmidtphotography.com/u17goldcup_wa_act_20150329
For those interested, looks like the game will be streamed on the Reds website tomorrow at 12:45 Qld time.
Chris McCracken
Jim Clark (26)
Did the games get streamed? I can't find the archived games in the usual places.
Interesting to see if any of the U17 boys from QLD or NSW make their respective state u18 schools sides. I would hope some of the 'new' talent have had an opportunity push for a place. Any thoughts on QLD from those of you up north.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Lots of QLD players finish School in their Under 17 year. Not so in NSW.
One would be looking for the NSW JCG lads to make their tilt at state team or Combined States for National Schoolboys in 2016 when they are Under 18.
One would be looking for the NSW JCG lads to make their tilt at state team or Combined States for National Schoolboys in 2016 when they are Under 18.
Hence the question with respect to QLD. There will also be u17 NSW boys make the u18s but realistically, perhaps not from this years JGC as you point out.
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Vay Wilson (31)
Yes they did. Theres some video at botom left of Reds homepege under "Instragram", but seemingly not the full matches.
William Wallace
Herbert Moran (7)
Is it too early to talk about the loses by the Qld u17 and u20 teams to NSW? So many left scratching their heads at selections in both teams. Why is it that same age groups in league easily account for NSW, but we fall so short in union?
Sunny
Ted Fahey (11)
Heard NSW are reducing the number of U17 teams for this years Gold cup, wonder if Qld is following suit?
I guess to compete better with the other states who send 1 team per age group?
Seems it just might be getting a little more about being competive and winning, and less about broader development.
Anyone heard more about this?
I guess to compete better with the other states who send 1 team per age group?
Seems it just might be getting a little more about being competive and winning, and less about broader development.
Anyone heard more about this?
Chris McCracken
Jim Clark (26)
I understand the U15s are staying the same. The 17s seem to be splitting into six "provinces": Metro East and West, Northern, Western, Eastern and Southern.
Not sure of the breakup, except that Western now takes in the Central North Zone.
Delphy
Ward Prentice (10)
From a results perspective, combining Northern Inland (3 wins from 10 games in 2014*) and North Coast (0 wins from 10) is understandable.
Similarly, including Illawarra (0 wins from 10 games) in a larger catchment has obvious benefits in terms of competitiveness.
The amalgamation of Central Coast (4 wins from 10) and Hunter (6 wins from 10) is a little harder to justify on the results. Is there a reason apparent to those closer to the action?
The reduction of Sydney teams from 4 to 2.5 in each age group (allowing Southern Province as a half) seems strange. Almost every Sydney team had a winning record in 2014 and it doesn't seem that any of the metro centres had reached their full potential in terms of organisation and player development.
On a related issue, it would be fantastic if there could be greater cross branding between the NRC and JGC.
North Harbour Rays would seem relatively straightforward but I guess Rams would be more difficult given Southern Districts wouldn't be included and apparently the whole Stars/Country Eagles/University/Randwick/Eastern Suburbs thing is something that only Sydney folk understand.
(*5 games each for U15 and U17.)
Similarly, including Illawarra (0 wins from 10 games) in a larger catchment has obvious benefits in terms of competitiveness.
The amalgamation of Central Coast (4 wins from 10) and Hunter (6 wins from 10) is a little harder to justify on the results. Is there a reason apparent to those closer to the action?
The reduction of Sydney teams from 4 to 2.5 in each age group (allowing Southern Province as a half) seems strange. Almost every Sydney team had a winning record in 2014 and it doesn't seem that any of the metro centres had reached their full potential in terms of organisation and player development.
On a related issue, it would be fantastic if there could be greater cross branding between the NRC and JGC.
North Harbour Rays would seem relatively straightforward but I guess Rams would be more difficult given Southern Districts wouldn't be included and apparently the whole Stars/Country Eagles/University/Randwick/Eastern Suburbs thing is something that only Sydney folk understand.
(*5 games each for U15 and U17.)
Sunny
Ted Fahey (11)
It is certainly interesting that NSW have made these changes, there was some talk up in Qld of the Brisbane metro teams dropping from 5 to 4.
Not sure if they will do this, guess we will see in a month or so.
But as I said, it looks likely that less boys will get to take part in Gold cup.
Not sure if they will do this, guess we will see in a month or so.
But as I said, it looks likely that less boys will get to take part in Gold cup.
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Michael Lynagh (62)
while the JGC is about opportunity as much as competition I think a more competitive U17s will do a lot more for their development than keeping all the current centres going. If we ever a u19s/20s age group they should take it further to effectively mimic the NRC. A pyramid with a wider base will ensure ever increasing levels of competition.
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