Arbitration

[rustycruiser]

I'm led to believe the arbitrator is an Aussie.

I think I read somewhere he's a Sydney lawyer, and SAf have agreed to accept his decision.

I read the same thing. That makes it a win win for Saru. The arbitrator will rule in favor of Melbourne. He would be an idiot if he didn't, based on all the factors discussed ad nauseum. Predictably, Saru will put out a press release (or slip it out via the media) about how the evil Aussie arbitrator was biased and stole the franchise from PE. Saru can then report back to the SA government that they did everything in their power to get the Kings the franchise etc etc. And hopefully avoid government censure and interference that way.

 

[Spook]

I'm led to believe the arbitrator is an Aussie.

I think I read somewhere he's a Sydney lawyer, and SAf have agreed to accept his decision.

I read the same thing. That makes it a win win for Saru. The arbitrator will rule in favor of Melbourne. He would be an idiot if he didn't, based on all the factors discussed ad nauseum. Predictably, Saru will put out a press release (or slip it out via the media) about how the evil Aussie arbitrator was biased and stole the franchise from PE. Saru can then report back to the SA government that they did everything in their power to get the Kings the franchise etc etc. And hopefully avoid government censure and interference that way.

I get the impression for a lot of Saffas, that the Kings are holding a gun to SARUs head.

 

[waratahjesus]

are the kings still supposed to be an all black team, if so, they shouldnt be allowed in due to the racism attached. if the maori cant tour south africa, thay shouldnt be allowed to field a racially selected team themselves!

 

[fatprop]

I can't see how the Kings can be fitted in.

The premise is 3 pools of five playing eachother twice and the other pools once.

The idea was to create more derby matches, increasing local interest and revenue.

So logistically, during the pool periods, would the Kings have a 4 week tour of Aus? Then each Aus side has to travel for one week to SA to play the Kings in a block?

 

[Blue]

are the kings still supposed to be an all black team, if so, they shouldnt be allowed in due to the racism attached. if the maori cant tour south africa, thay shouldnt be allowed to field a racially selected team themselves!

They never claimed to be an all black team, but they will have a lot of black players for a variety of reasons like location and the people involved in the franchise. They will never publicly state a "policy", but rather a "preference" with the purpose of creating opportunity.

 

[Blue]

Do you and Blue have some cunning plan for how you get SARU to play ball while giving nothing away?

I think Rusty has explained it. They want to be in a situation where the sports minister canlt poitn the finger at them and it looks like this will happen. Unless the Sydney lawyer's surname is Khompela or Watson.

 

[Scarfman]

Biffo's question remains open, if anyone gets more info, please share it here.

And T78, I don't agree. In fact, the opposite. Melbourne will win. Aus get 5th team. JON gets conferences and longer season. If you can find a failure in that, you're doing well.

 

[fatprop]

Biffo's question remains open, if anyone gets more info, please share it here.

And T78, I don't agree. In fact, the opposite. Melbourne will win. Aus get 5th team. JON gets conferences and longer season. If you can find a failure in that, you're doing well.

I agree, the arbitration takes away SANZAR's executives responsibility. The SA representatives can go back and look the government in the eye and say we did our best to get their team in, blame the process, racist SAZAR arbitrators or whatever and the world moves on.

 

[Utility Back]

It really should be melbourne, people keep saying that we dont have a coach or a logo, but those will be sort out when its assured we have a team, no coach will say he'll commit when he doesnt even know if it will exist.

But anyway, anyone have a clue when a decision wil be finalised?

 

[Blue]

It really should be melbourne, people keep saying that we dont have a coach or a logo, but those will be sort out when its assured we have a team, no coach will say he'll commit when he doesnt even know if it will exist.

But anyway, anyone have a clue when a decision wil be finalised?

Who gives a shit about a logo? Take the Victoria "V" that soccer and cricket use and stick a rugby ball in the middle. There you go.

Do you have grassroots support and corporate buy-in and a hell of a good marketing team? That's what matters. No point talking to coaches if you technically don't exist.

No idea about timing, can't find any info.

Surely if the Sarfu schmo's, JON, his Kiwi Mate and other interested parties or hangers on are up in Brissie they should put the lawyer on a plane and he can get his arse up there and arbitrate. If only it was that simple....

 

[rustycruiser]

I heard a week being bandied about as how long before a decision will be made. Guess the arbitrator needs hours to pad his bill some.

 

[Biffo]

Thomo when it comes to anything JON related, you are about as neutral as battery acid.

Now, I grant you, I'm not the man's biggest fan; but even such a mythical creature would have to acknowledge that when you look at the way he's managed to turn almost everyone against the ARU and systematically lost influence over and over and over again, the "John O'Nell Guide to Making Friends and Influencing People" is unlikely to trouble the top of the best-sellers list any time soon.

And just to make it clear, the NZRU have made a holy hames of it as well.

Please enlighten us on just which national rugby managements have done well in recent years.

 

[Ishmael]

Biffo's question remains open, if anyone gets more info, please share it here.

And T78, I don't agree. In fact, the opposite. Melbourne will win. Aus get 5th team. JON gets conferences and longer season. If you can find a failure in that, you're doing well.

I agree, the arbitration takes away SANZAR's executives responsibility. The SA representatives can go back and look the government in the eye and say we did our best to get their team in, blame the process, racist SAZAR arbitrators or whatever and the world moves on.

That's the long and short of it as far as I can make out. Despite the fact that they probabkly know Melbourne's the best option, if SARU had backed down on the Kings during negotiations they could have been in hot water with the government. Once it goes to arbitration it's out of their hands and they can honestly say they did the best they could. I'm pretty sure all the SANZAR parties were well aware of the situation prior to the negotiations and realised that arbitration was inevitable, hence why we haven't heard the usual bleating in the media from JON or SARU.

 

[Scotty]

rusty,

I think it was reported as 'at least a week'. So there is no real knowing how long it will take, but they will obviously need to get cracking quickly.

 

[PaarlBok]

are the kings still supposed to be an all black team, if so, they shouldnt be allowed in due to the racism attached. if the maori cant tour south africa, thay shouldnt be allowed to field a racially selected team themselves!

Where the fuck did you get the idea the Kings is suppose to be a all black team?

 

[Spook]

are the kings still supposed to be an all black team, if so, they shouldnt be allowed in due to the racism attached. if the maori cant tour south africa, thay shouldnt be allowed to field a racially selected team themselves!

Where the fuck did you get the idea the Kings is suppose to be a all black team?

The SA government wants a Super team in a black area. In order for SARU to receive government backing and financial gurantees for their WC 2015 and 2019 bids, they had to form a team in the Eastern Cape - ie, the Kings. The Kings are racially motivated by a racially motivated government.

What happened to the Southern Spears by the way? :nta:

All teams in the Australian conference should be based in Australia - this is logical and makes the competion work. If the Kings win, where in Oz will they be based? :

 

[PaarlBok]

are the kings still supposed to be an all black team, if so, they shouldnt be allowed in due to the racism attached. if the maori cant tour south africa, thay shouldnt be allowed to field a racially selected team themselves!

Where the fuck did you get the idea the Kings is suppose to be a all black team?

The SA government wants a Super team in a black area. In order for SARU to receive government backing and financial gurantees for their WC 2015 and 2019 bids, they had to form a team in the Eastern Cape - ie, the Kings. The Kings are racially motivated by a racially motivated government.

What happened to the Southern Spears by the way? :nta:

All teams in the Australian conference should be based in Australia - this is logical and makes the competion work. If the Kings win, where in Oz will they be based? :

Jerre Boet you lot should come and visit me. Here are black areas everywhere. There are just more in the Eastern Cape and not meaning the team have to be a all black team. Meaning to try and grow the game in a place where most prefer soccer in the same sense the Melbourne lot plays everything except rugby.

 

[PaarlBok]

All teams in the Australian conference should be based in Australia - this is logical and makes the competion work. If the Kings win, where in Oz will they be based? :

You lot still dont understand this one, they play in the Aus conferense but they'll be based in PE. Meaning when they tour they'll play all the Aus teams and half the Kiwi teams, meaning when the Aus teams tour to SA they'll all play the Kings. Is that to difficult to understand?

 

[Thomond78]

Thomo when it comes to anything JON related, you are about as neutral as battery acid.

Now, I grant you, I'm not the man's biggest fan; but even such a mythical creature would have to acknowledge that when you look at the way he's managed to turn almost everyone against the ARU and systematically lost influence over and over and over again, the "John O'Nell Guide to Making Friends and Influencing People" is unlikely to trouble the top of the best-sellers list any time soon.

And just to make it clear, the NZRU have made a holy hames of it as well.

Please enlighten us on just which national rugby managements have done well in recent years.

Give the devil their due, the IRFU didn't do too badly in the stitch-up of the 2011 RWC, but made a balls of Cooder the Vile, etc. That said, they're not doing badly at the moment, touch wood; helps that there's some very good gin made here as well as outstanding whiskey. I also have to say that SARU have, over the last eighteen months or so, actually done a very good job.

Which, btw, is probably our cue to all repent because if that's not an indication that the End Times are nigh, I don't know what is.

Rusty's analysis makes absolute sense, btw. On that basis, it looks likely it's Melbourne.

 

[Spook]

All teams in the Australian conference should be based in Australia - this is logical and makes the competion work. If the Kings win, where in Oz will they be based? :

You lot still dont understand this one, they play in the Aus conferense but they'll be based in PE. Meaning when they tour they'll play all the Aus teams and half the Kiwi teams, meaning when the Aus teams tour to SA they'll all play the Kings. Is that to difficult to understand?

We all understand what you're saying but frankly it's illogical. Why should Australian conference games be played out of Australia? This would disrupt the Australian conference significantly. The whole reason the conference system was created was so that domestic Super rugby sides could clash with other more often in a meaningful competition. The Kings would be meaningless in such a competition. I can't see how you don't understand that.