Arbitration

[Moses]

Why will it mean a extra week for the Kiwis in SA aswell? If Melbourne gets it it will be a extra week in Aus, so no differense for the Kiwis. One year two Kiwi teams will play Melbourne/Kings at home and the next year the other three from their conferense.

Kiwi's can fly home from Melbourne during the week. It's a big deal and big expense to spend an extra week in RSA every second year.

Like I qouted before, a CC province is something different to a S14 franchise in SA. Doing this the small provinces will simply fade away and die.

But the S15 teams all keep their same names in the CC, do they have less players available to them?

Goes to revenue issues Moses.
CC revenues are exclusively for Saru.
No way they'd want to share that revenue with Aussie and NZ.

Fair point, that makes a lot of sense

 

[PaarlBok]

Quote from a SANZAR press release issued by Andy Marinos:

"SANZAR has announced the details of the future of Super Rugby, with the tournament set to stretch from the last weekend in February to the first weekend of August from 2011 and incorporate a15th side, from Australia. The 24-week tournament will provide each side with at least eight home games and also introduces a new "sudden death" qualifying round before the semi-finals.

Then why do they wanted all three countries do go through the bid process for the 15th team?

Quote from a SANZAR press release issued by Andy Marinos:

The 15 sides will be divided in to three national conferences, playing the other four sides in their conference home and away and playing four out of the five sides from the other conferences. The three confenrece winners and three 'wildcard' sides with the most points will advance to the playoffs, where the wildcard sides and the conference winners with the lowest amount of points will play for places in the semi-finals against the remaining conference winners. "

The bolding is mine.

This is the same thing I try to explain by 4x2 matches own conferense + 10 matches other conferences = 18 rounds of Super Rugby like we have 14 now with 1 bye week.

2 top ones from each conferense advance to play offs follow by semis and finals to winner.

 

[Biffo]

If the timing for the currie cup is so precious why not count the S15 games between your provinces as Currie Cup matches? Much like we count the 3N game against the Kiwi's as a Bledisloe Cup.

Goes to revenue issues Moses.
CC revenues are exclusively for Saru.
No way they'd want to share that revenue with Aussie and NZ.

Non-issue. The Currie Cup TV rights have been decoupled from those for S15.

 

[PaarlBok]

Why will it mean a extra week for the Kiwis in SA aswell? If Melbourne gets it it will be a extra week in Aus, so no differense for the Kiwis. One year two Kiwi teams will play Melbourne/Kings at home and the next year the other three from their conferense.

Kiwi's can fly home from Melbourne during the week. It's a big deal and big expense to spend an extra week in RSA every second year.

The flight back home from Aus will cost the same as the week acomodation in SA.

Like I qouted before, a CC province is something different to a S14 franchise in SA. Doing this the small provinces will simply fade away and die.

But the S15 teams all keep their same names in the CC, do they have less players available to them?

Nope the not the same Stormers = WP & Boland , Bulls = Blue Bulls & Pumas , Lions = Golden Lions, Falcons & Leopards. Only the Sharks is the same thing.

They have more players available to them but they seldom use them because they sign up the top players because they have the bigger player budget. Thats why I am sure if the Kings get the go ahead, they'll sign up the top players from all the small provinces.

 

[PaarlBok]

If the timing for the currie cup is so precious why not count the S15 games between your provinces as Currie Cup matches? Much like we count the 3N game against the Kiwi's as a Bledisloe Cup.

Goes to revenue issues Moses.
CC revenues are exclusively for Saru.
No way they'd want to share that revenue with Aussie and NZ.

Non-issue. The Currie Cup TV rights have been decoupled from those for S15.

This basically is my biggest issue with the propuse new S15 format. The time it take wont leave enough time in the calendar year for us to have a full blooded CC tournament. The SA supporters is already chock and block in the current format , meaning less people will go watch Super Rugby or their beloved CC matches, less TV viewers beause this will make it boring competitions. Pretty sure if we cut the Sanzar lot and go back to the usual CC and tours you'll get more viewers and more bums on seats in SA and we'll get our own return from our own rugby.

 

[Moses]

The flight back home from Aus will cost the same as the week acomodation in SA.

These guys aren't staying in backpackers, it's 5 star hotels and hiring of training facilities for a squad of 25 plus 3 coaches plus ancillary staff.

 

[PaarlBok]

The flight back home from Aus will cost the same as the week acomodation in SA.

These guys aren't staying in backpackers, it's 5 star hotels and hiring of training facilities for a squad of 25 plus 3 coaches plus ancillary staff.

Well compare PE where they'll have 20,000 bums on the seats for their matches to what Melbourne will offer, they can make more profits or break even.

 

[Moses]

I don't mean any offense by this Paarl, and respect that you are so passionate about SA Rugby issues. Still, I couldn't help myself......
http://twitpic.com/mkmbr

 

[Moses]

The flight back home from Aus will cost the same as the week acomodation in SA.

These guys aren't staying in backpackers, it's 5 star hotels and hiring of training facilities for a squad of 25 plus 3 coaches plus ancillary staff.

Well compare PE where they'll have 20,000 bums on the seats for their matches to what Melbourne will offer, they can make more profits or break even.

I'll wager a box of beer that Melbourne get more bums on seats during the 2011 season than the Gauteng Lions

 

[Biffo]

The flight back home from Aus will cost the same as the week acomodation in SA.

These guys aren't staying in backpackers, it's 5 star hotels and hiring of training facilities for a squad of 25 plus 3 coaches plus ancillary staff.

Well compare PE where they'll have 20,000 bums on the seats for their matches to what Melbourne will offer, they can make more profits or break even.

I'll wager a box of beer that Melbourne get more bums on seats during the 2011 season than the Gauteng Lions

The odds will be very short indeed on that one.

 

[Blue]

Paarl:

Why did they (Sanzar) entertain a proposal from SA? Becuase of constant bleating, manipulation and and hard handed tactics from SARU.

I'd suggest it's a case of keeping the peace. (Ok well if you're so bloody admant to submit a proposal then do it).

And Melbourne will pull bigger crowds than the Lions and the Cheetahs.

Let it go Paarl. Your'e being sentimental.

There really is no other business case than Melbourne.

 

[PaarlBok]

I don't mean any offense by this Paarl, and respect that you are so passionate about SA Rugby issues. Still, I couldn't help myself......
http://twitpic.com/mkmbr

Oh well no problem, as long as we can discuss in a good manner, I have no worries. I just try to explain the SA situation here and myself like this new S15 idea not one bit.

Blue as far as myself go, I dont give a shite about the Kings or Melbourne, there should not be a 15 th team, there should be at the most S12.

 

[Sully]

I was under the impression that we would play within our conference first. Then play the other 2 conferences. Is this correct?

 

[Sully]

Blue as far as myself go, I dont give a shite about the Kings or Melbourne, there should not be a 15 th team, there should be at the most S12.

For one who doesn't care you do a very good job of supporting the Kings

 

[PaarlBok]

Blue as far as myself go, I dont give a shite about the Kings or Melbourne, there should not be a 15 th team, there should be at the most S12.

For one who doesn't care you do a very good job of supporting the Kings

Sully I look at the damage this whole new format will do to SA Rugby and what will happen if the Kings dont get the bid.

 

[PaarlBok]

Blue as far as myself go, I dont give a shite about the Kings or Melbourne, there should not be a 15 th team, there should be at the most S12.

For one who doesn't care you do a very good job of supporting the Kings

You make me going back halfway through the pages to get the Super Rugby Competition myself wants.

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/forum/index.php/topic,8877.0.html

 

[waratahjesus]

Blue as far as myself go, I dont give a shite about the Kings or Melbourne, there should not be a 15 th team, there should be at the most S12.

For one who doesn't care you do a very good job of supporting the Kings

Sully I look at the damage this whole new format will do to SA Rugby and what will happen if the Kings dont get the bid.

this wont do any damage to south african rugby at all. SARU have sold the currie cup for 5 years at a price even they say they were lucky to get. they also get a bit more money from having the same teams in super 15 as the tv rights have gone up and even though they have droped to an equal share, it still works out more for the same cost.

playing against nz and aus teams makes the players who get the opportunity stronger and better, it gives them a path from currie cup to the springbok side. the reason teams dont play everyone at least once was a comprimise so the SA could run teh currie cup, i still dont understand what your exactly on about.

 

[PaarlBok]

i still dont understand what your exactly on about.

Saru already indicated they'll have to drop two or three teams from the CC Premium Division due to the time frame the new format Super Rugby will eat up. We had a 16 week S14 tournament as it is, now it will be a 22 week tournament.

 

[waratahjesus]

i still dont understand what your exactly on about.

Saru already indicated they'll have to drop two or three teams from the CC Premium Division due to the time frame the new format Super Rugby will eat up. We had a 16 week S14 tournament as it is, now it will be a 22 week tournament.

yep, got that, so south africa drops two teams, gets a shitload more money for both competitions. if they get the 16th team, they get and extra team, also drop two teams and have less money to divide up between them, seems like SARU are pretty awesome!

 

[Moses]

Currently there are 8 teams in premier division and 6 teams in first (second) division. If they drop 2 that will make it 6 + 8, and this would kill the comp.. right?