2024 Super Rugby Under 16 and 19 series (29th Sept - 3rd Nov)

[Steve_Grey]

How much of a change is there in each of the teams between 18s and 19s?

Potentially huge - as you get the boys playing against each other in Colts which is U20s, and some rise to the top, while others fade away due to U18s size, and new faces appear that are later developers.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Potentially huge - as you get the boys playing against each other in Colts which is U20s, and some rise to the top, while others fade away due to U18s size, and new faces appear that are later developers.

I would have guessed it's more a contracting thing?

But rather than potential, what are the actual differences between this years U19 and last year u18s generally. Is there a lot of movement between the teams?

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

Heaps in terms of personnel.

The 16s and 18s is basically the School/Club systems v each other then the 19s becomes the Super franchises. It's why the Brums go from an 80 point loss in 16s to a convincing win in the 19s. It's not ACT Club footy doing that it's good recruitment and game planning. Youd find 75% or more of the Brums 19s are from NSW or QLD 18s.

 

[WoodysRFC]

Potentially huge - as you get the boys playing against each other in Colts which is U20s, and some rise to the top, while others fade away due to U18s size, and new faces appear that are later developers.

And likely between 18s and 19s, quite a few are lost to NRL etc too, which also evens the playing field?

 

[Brumby Runner]

Heaps in terms of personnel.

The 16s and 18s is basically the School/Club systems v each other then the 19s becomes the Super franchises. It's why the Brums go from an 80 point loss in 16s to a convincing win in the 19s. It's not ACT Club footy doing that it's good recruitment and game planning. Youd find 75% or more of the Brums 19s are from NSW or QLD 18s.

Ghost, Rudderless showed the players' clubs at post #186 above. Just on that data, 61% of this years' U19s are playing in Canberra. I don't know how many, if any, are players who relocated from NSW or Qld.

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

Ghost, Rudderless showed the players' clubs at post #186 above. Just on that data, 61% of this years' U19s are playing in Canberra. I don't know how many, if any, are players who relocated from NSW or Qld.

Enasio, Smith, Morrison, Ryan, John who are originally NSW who are now part of ACT. As I said it's good recruitment by the Brumbies.

There's been players in previous years list a Canberra Club before playing a game for that Club but picked for the Brums 19s.

In the starting side is it Wilcox and Pilot as the only fully home grown players? Watching the 16s it makes sense that this is the Brumbies path to success and building good teams which they have always been able to do.

 

[TSR]

I’m not saying you are right or wrong BR but to me it’s not a big issue either way. At u19 level the most important thing is the best kids are in the system somewhere. As a Reds fan I’d love to us to always get it right and secure the very best of the emerging Qld talent but it just doesn’t happen and if the Brumbies, Force and Rebels are topping up their talent with the best Queenslanders and it is keeping more of those kids in the game so be it.

Of course I want quality recruits coming out of the ACT catchment too and no doubt there are but it’s pretty understandable that the bulk of talent is being produced in our two biggest catchments.

 

[BobbyD]

I’m not saying you are right or wrong BR but to me it’s not a big issue either way. At u19 level the most important thing is the best kids are in the system somewhere. As a Reds fan I’d love to us to always get it right and secure the very best of the emerging Qld talent but it just doesn’t happen and if the Brumbies, Force and Rebels are topping up their talent with the best Queenslanders and it is keeping more of those kids in the game so be it.

Of course I want quality recruits coming out of the ACT catchment too and no doubt there are but it’s pretty understandable that the bulk of talent is being produced in our two biggest catchments.

You'd think pathways alignment between ACT and Vic Rugby/Melb Rebels moving forward might make some sense ...

 

[Backintheolddays]

Brumbies talent identification is fantastic which they leverage to maximum advantage given the nonsense and politics that exists (at times) in the NSW and Qld junior rep systems.

 

[Wilson]

Under 16s:

Under 19s:

So a tahs v Reds final in the under 16s is all but guaranteed.

In the 19s a bonus point win over the Rebels will see the Reds jump to the top of the table for a final against the Brumbies. Less than that will leave the door open for the tahs to sneak in. Brumbies have locked up their place in the final.

 

[Tomikin]

Joe Dillon is the most talented and promising 10 in this country.

Genuinely a triple threat, a rare hybrid that a lot of these 10s coming through do not possess. I'll tell you what as well, that Tahs 10 in the 16s is a highlight reel as well.

Just watched his highlights, his a nugget fella, but yeah seems to kick, pass and run well.

 

[Brumby Runner]

I’m not saying you are right or wrong BR but to me it’s not a big issue either way. At u19 level the most important thing is the best kids are in the system somewhere. As a Reds fan I’d love to us to always get it right and secure the very best of the emerging Qld talent but it just doesn’t happen and if the Brumbies, Force and Rebels are topping up their talent with the best Queenslanders and it is keeping more of those kids in the game so be it.

Of course I want quality recruits coming out of the ACT catchment too and no doubt there are but it’s pretty understandable that the bulk of talent is being produced in our two biggest catchments.

Agree with all of this TSR.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Ha ha Bot. Gave yourself away with that non-sensical post.

 

[WoodysRFC]

Ha ha Bot. Gave yourself away with that non-sensical post.

What did I miss?

 

[Wilson]

What did I miss?

Rhino rugby spam. Seems like he's finally getting his hard drive wiped.

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

Quite enjoy getting thumbs down from Rhino on my posts about them.

I wouldn't want to miss-gender the CPU

 

[hituplover]

very rough team thus far for 20’s

1) Baxter
2) Ata
3) T King
4) Brosnan
5) Gillan
6) Doyle
7) Durbidge
8) Latu
9) Sharples
10) Fowler
11) Wilcox
12) Pakeho
13) Goldsbrough
14) Palmer
15) Harvey

16) F King
17) Titi
18) Goddard
19) Mcginnity
20) Ryan
21) Smith
22) Fakafanua
23) Rubens


Not to sure what the go will be with the reds centre pairng who both have senior contracts so if they werent available it woild look something like:

12) Fakafanua
13) Rubens

22) Dillon
23) Grover

Geez the backs depth is alright

 

[Rudderless]

Final Round (5 of 5)

Local Times
Live on Stan Sport

Brumbies have the BYE

Saturday 26th

Reds v Rebels (Ballymore Stadium)
U16 12.35pm
U19 2.35pm

Sunday 27th

Force v Waratahs (Revo Fitness Stadium)
U16 9.05am
U19 11.05am


Grand Finals

Sunday 3rd
Ballymore Stadium
U16
U19

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

very rough team thus far for 20’s

1) Baxter
2) Ata
3) T King
4) Brosnan
5) Gillan
6) Doyle
7) Durbidge
8) Latu
9) Sharples
10) Fowler
11) Wilcox
12) Pakeho
13) Goldsbrough
14) Palmer
15) Harvey

16) F King
17) Titi
18) Goddard
19) Mcginnity
20) Ryan
21) Smith
22) Fakafanua
23) Rubens


Not to sure what the go will be with the reds centre pairng who both have senior contracts so if they werent available it woild look something like:

12) Fakafanua
13) Rubens

22) Dillon
23) Grover

Geez the backs depth is alright

Nice team. Hard to really disagree with any. Dillon edged in front of Fowler after the weekend showing for me personally but can't write off the very good showings by Fowler throughout. Short comp really forces harsh reactions.

Changes for me would be Ryan to start and Durbidge be a ruck menace late in games like Reimer does for the Brumbies and Dillon at 10. Baxter has been strong but I wonder if they go for more size across the pack. It's been the area the 20s have been dominated at times. Think of the Argies game last year. Bit wet and our backline shuts down and the piggies just got bullied by a very big and talented pack.

 

[Backintheolddays]

Nice team. Hard to really disagree with any. Dillon edged in front of Fowler after the weekend showing for me personally but can't write off the very good showings by Fowler throughout. Short comp really forces harsh reactions.

Changes for me would be Ryan to start and Durbidge be a ruck menace late in games like Reimer does for the Brumbies and Dillon at 10. Baxter has been strong but I wonder if they go for more size across the pack. It's been the area the 20s have been dominated at times. Think of the Argies game last year. Bit wet and our backline shuts down and the piggies just got bullied by a very big and talented pack.

Agree on the 7 approach. Durbidge needs to broaden his skill set and contribute more broadly rather than being "the jackal". I still rate Fakafanua highly, wish he didn't end up in the Force - out of sight out of mind and not the all round development opportunities - he needs to specialise rather than being a jack of all trades. To complete the sky blue commentary (school not state) I wish we could get another 10-15kg on Lachie Smith.