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yes agreed, the thinking after S12 was wrong, the money never came from the value of the product, it was just all expansion. Look at the Sunwolves (it was fucking laughable), why did we do that. My point is Castle may have no choice but to sign up to whatever they can get, but where is the...

look I see your point but the issue I have is, if you don't have private investment and even if you move to a centralist model, the competition still somehow has to generate income or interest, without that you are still relying on funding the whole code through your national team, when the...

yes, I agree with this. The rebels thing was a fiasco, but the point is why was it. private owners run sporting clubs all over the world. The problem here was relinquishing control, RA or really SANZAAR wanted it both ways , give us the cash and we still pull the strings. No thank-you. There...

But the point is you can't run if you never learn to walk. We know the domestic market has little value here, but have we ever tried to change that, NO. And whats so wrong with private money, maybe we should try that, you ever know.

I think a point to remember is that yes the TEST arena brings in the value, but it does that in a way on the back of compromising the domestic market, yes Super rugby may have little value. But that is due in a great part due to pretty much 20 years of being compromised by Test rugby and not...

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/kim-williams-lashes-low-value-rugby-union-over-sense-of-self-entitlement-20191211-p53iyf.html A couple of interesting things he said. "The issue with rugby that’s a challenge is the sense of self-entitlement from rugby itself," Mr Williams said in an...

"It keeps it technically alive - but its not a fully functioning sport." I like that quote, it sort of sums up the whole thing.

Look it really is a catch 22 situation, but the issue is where is the planning, they should have dealt with this in the in 2008, then 2012, then 2105, now were already faced with another 5yr deal come 2021 with a Super competition as appealing as a fart in an elevator to the marketplace. So...

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/we-are-all-broke-nsw-chair-calls-for-ra-overhaul-20191209-p53i9l.html I find it ironic with imho Super rugby being the biggest single issue facing the code here and the the failure to address that situation over many years now, and with the new...

Yep, Clyne came out and said she has the full support of the board. ;)

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/oneill-courted-for-key-rugby-role/news-story/df5dadf4de2db7814c133dbe03cabdb8?fbclid=IwAR32IxPzb2JtRzp7x6gsMdFU9P92zGikFQHcKMQ3D37Ahzn0OJkI5jO82g8 Where theirs smoke??? “Has anyone engaged Andrew Forrest to see what the options are for...

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/50608122 Looks more than just a rumor. Your right where does that leave SA

Look your not wrong Rugbynutter, I agree there's just been to much damage, and we are literally down to hard core supporters, I have followed this sport since I was a kid, but my sons playing league. And your right maybe the answer is an Asian friendly competition, but my point is still the...

You need people in charge willing to pursue that possibility or have the drive to look at some of the options available, you only have to look at the Twiggy saga to realize how much of a closed shop the whole thing is. Its a change in mindset that is required, Foxtel don't care they already...

Nobody said 12 teams, what about start with 6 teams we already have 5, so no possibility we couldn't just add one more with private investment, maybe structure the finances differently, see what possibility with a 2 round competition maybe champion league games with NZ/SA & the pacific. But you...

Rebel3 "12 Aus teams is never going to happen and nor should it." Look I agree with the majority of your post, but the first sentence to me highlights a mental thinking that afflicts Australian rugby to much. NRL/AFL all the codes have comps with varying levels of teams from 10 to 20, yet...

Yes, but you just as easily can turn that around and say if we had spent more time working on a greater domestic agenda we would have a far more popular game, which in turn would have led to more athletes/players to choose from. That fear factor for the Wallabies, like the Vietnam war, so busy...

The problem is we have never had the admin capable or with the desire to really push what is the obvious option, to may vested interests dependent on the current set-up, unfortunately not enough private involvement.

Sorry I don't mean to be shifting the argument, but my point is as you state, sooner or later Aus/SA/NZ are going to need to be doing better out of Super rugby (or whatever replaces it) financially and for market growth. But the structural issues relating to its slave relationship to Test...

Yes Test match rugby is premium, but part of that is due to the sacrifices to the game made at a domestic level how much of that value is at the cost of the domestic game, and you simply cannot run a code purely through the exploits of one team. Why have the RA not been inundated with...