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Well that didn’t last. horton needs to get off he can’t hit a line out.

Force scrum is a real issue here. Other than that they are matching the Crusaders.

If Flook had made the pass, it would have been called back as forward. Campbell checked his run but was in front still when the obstruction occurred (I just froze it a few times on my Stan feed - they wont let me screen shot so cant show the shot).. Campbell had over run the play, and he...

Campbell was in front of Flook, he could not receive a pass. He was not in a position to receive a pass, and stopped a Force player making a tackle. Its obstruction every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Im not sure why there is a question on this. You cant stand in front of your team mate...

But Campbell was in front of Flook so not in a supporting position and prevented a Force player making a tackle. Clear obstruction for me. You can’t have blocking runners like NFL and that is what Campbell did.

I don’t think anyone is claiming a bias ref. I think the thought was inexperienced ref who had variable calls (sometimes let an offence go, other times penalised) which makes it tough to adapt to. This is an issue that both teams would face. Force are low on the ladder so get more new refs than...

Hehe mule

OConnor might not be the way forward but Rona would be a great get. He still has a few years left in his career, is Wallaby quality, and is a local product.

I don’t think the non red cost the force the game. It might have cost them a bonus point however.

If you cant see the difference between a red card / 7 week ban being missed, and some potential missed penalties (there are lots of missed penalties each way in a match, no-one is donning their Rassie mask here), then there isnt much more I can do as a part of this discussion.

No room for Kibirige or SImpson, or are we not considering short term contracts (although RWV is there)? Good effort none the less. I think Anstee for me at 6 but it then becomes all about balance.

To be fair, I was replying to a comparison between Swinton's retrospective red, that Force fans are rightly upset was missed in the game, and some supposed indiscretions by Force players. They are not in the same ballpark.

So they weren’t. So there wasn’t an issue with the Force players.

Had they been foul play, I assume the match review panel after the game would have been all over it? How long were the suspensions?

I do ;)

Bit surprised you thought Strachan milked it initially - he went off for a concussion test and missed most of the game (I think he was back on for a period in the first half but was out the second half). And given the consequences on Strachan, and the history of dirty hits by Swinton, 7 weeks...

I thought that was the fundraising arm, does it go to Super rugby levels - as in, if say Twiggy put a million dollars in to get a couple of players to the Force, would that then get routed through RA or would it be able to be conditional?

Most of the players from 2017 would be near the end of their careers or retired, it was 6 years ago. I think Hardwick, Rangi, Louwrens, Rona and Philip are still kicking around but hard to say where they will be now. But there would be more players coming to fill the gaps after that, and be...

Moving this to a more appropriate place. I don’t really want to shuffle players. That was not the point. The point was that the Force are not competitive now because they lost their stars when they were cut. The discussion came up because someone had said the Force should no longer be looking...

Fair point I’ll move it to the Force thread.