Where to for Twiggy Rugby?

[Rebel man]

Will never happen. No way they can get a comp set up to start in February also if Twiggy has this level of investment in the Force and Australian rugby a few years back we wouldn't have been in this dire financial position

 

[TOCC]

Will never happen. No way they can get a comp set up to start in February also if Twiggy has this level of investment in the Force and Australian rugby a few years back we wouldn't have been in this dire financial position

Get a little tired of this rhetoric.. if the Rebels were never included and required bailouts we wouldn't have been in this dire financial position either.. no point dwelling on what could have been, the point is that he is here now and backing the Force, that shouldn't be a cause of criticism for him.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Will never happen. No way they can get a comp set up to start in February also if Twiggy has this level of investment in the Force and Australian rugby a few years back we wouldn't have been in this dire financial position

Well, considering that they've actually made it quite clear that they have no intention of running the competition during the same window as Super Rugby I think they have a little more time than til February to get the structure sorted.

 

[Highlander35]

Hoping that there's some success for this comp. The only thing I'm happy about from the whole mess is that the Rebels have survived, everything else is reprehensible, and if Twiggy and his Illuminati can create this comp, and back it up with some serious moolah, I reckon I'll be much more interested in watching and keeping up with it than watching the South Africans, the Jaguares and to a lesser extent, the Sunwolves.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

 

[Silverado]

The main squad are the 30 players on full contracts. Then there is the EPS of 5 players (although that has been somewhat blurred in recent years at least in the way teams announce their players).

The information is available in the CBA and various media releases.

For a main squad player, the figures were: Super Rugby minimum salary was $67,500 in 2015. That rises to $72,500 in 2016 and $75,000 in 2017.

EPS was $47,500 in 2015, which went up to $50,000 in 2016 then $52,500 in 2017.

Outside that I am sure the salaries are minuscule and wouldn't support someone without external assistance.

Supplementary Squad gets $750 per week and has to pay their own super. There are additional match payments of $1500-$2000 per game if they play Super Rugby


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[daz]

Get a little tired of this rhetoric...

Sorry to hear that TOCC, but it doesn't make it any less true.

Lots of truisms get lost in these kind of issues. You've swallowed the Twiggyball/Force outrage/ARU conspiracy stories as gospel, good for you. That doesn't make you right, or the only person entitled to an opinion.

Happy for you to call bullshit on the more tinhatted hyperbole, God knows I'm starting to.

just because someone takes a contrary position doesn't make them a knob, as you seem to enjoy believing. So take a deep breath and few knee bends and have a go at looking at all sides for a change, keeping in mind none of us actually knows who said what to who during this process.

 

[TOCC]

Sorry to hear that TOCC, but it doesn't make it any less true.

Lots of truisms get lost in these kind of issues. You've swallowed the Twiggyball/Force outrage/ARU conspiracy stories as gospel, good for you. That doesn't make you right, or the only person entitled to an opinion.

Happy for you to call bullshit on the more tinhatted hyperbole, God knows I'm starting to.

just because someone takes a contrary position doesn't make them a knob, as you seem to enjoy believing. So take a deep breath and few knee bends and have a go at looking at all sides for a change, keeping in mind none of us actually knows who said what to who during this process.

Drop the patronising attitude, I never called him a nob and I took time to explain my position on the issue, which was in the post you edited down.

You're making an argument where there isn't one, perhaps take heed of your own advice and take deep breath. Just because we're sympathetic towards the Force doesn't mean we are anti-Rebels..

 

[Aurelius]

Get a little tired of this rhetoric.. if the Rebels were never included and required bailouts we wouldn't have been in this dire financial position either.. no point dwelling on what could have been, the point is that he is here now and backing the Force, that shouldn't be a cause of criticism for him.

Hi all, long-time lurker, first time poster. You know what I keep coming back to every time I read someone criticising the timing of Forrest's intervention? That interview Cameron Clyne did with Alan Jones way back in April. You know, the one where he repeatedly asked Clyne what he was doing to raise money for Australian rugby? I don't think Clyne ever answered it, but it's a good question. We now know that Forrest himself was willing to put up to $50m in to support Australian rugby, and he wasn't alone. There was also that consortium back in April or May who wanted to spend tens of millions (either 20 or 50, from memory) to support the Force, and I think there was another consortium that wanted to buy out the Rebels, wasn't there? So, basically what I'm getting at is that there was apparently plenty of money on the table from the business community, but Clyne and the ARU board never explored that option and decided to cut a franchise without any kind of soft landing. Fine; what's done is done. But it's really, really galling to hear Clyne blame RugbyWA for not reaching out to Twiggy months ago when there's no evidence whatsoever that he made any effort to do that himself, just as it's really, really galling to read peoples' complaints about Twiggy not doing more earlier when, if you believe lack of fundraising is Australian rugby's problem, it's surely Clyne and the ARU board who failed in that respect, not Twiggy.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Will never happen. No way they can get a comp set up to start in February also if Twiggy has this level of investment in the Force and Australian rugby a few years back we wouldn't have been in this dire financial position

Forrest undertook to assist his local side, the WA Force. Why would he have been interested in bailing out the Reds Tahs and Rebels who have apparently been into the ARU for as much or more than the Force were in recent times.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Hoping that there's some success for this comp. The only thing I'm happy about from the whole mess is that the Rebels have survived, everything else is reprehensible, and if Twiggy and his Illuminati can create this comp, and back it up with some serious moolah, I reckon I'll be much more interested in watching and keeping up with it than watching the South Africans, the Jaguares and to a lesser extent, the Sunwolves.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

d

I for some reason don't mind the Sunwolves as they are timezone friendly - they can come join Twiggyball comp.....but please get some better players....

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Well, considering that they've actually made it quite clear that they have no intention of running the competition during the same window as Super Rugby I think they have a little more time than til February to get the structure sorted.

Must have missed this bit - Re: not running on same time zone as Super Rugby but makes sense with their position not to work against Super Rugby re: keep ARU aligned and supportive.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

I read on some other bulletin board that apparently Pulver has requested a one on one meeting with Twiggy for today.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Must have missed this bit - Re: not running on same time zone as Super Rugby but makes sense with their position not to work against Super Rugby re: keep ARU aligned and supportive.

Was mentioned in an article.

 

[Slim 293]

Must have missed this bit - Re: not running on same time zone as Super Rugby but makes sense with their position not to work against Super Rugby re: keep ARU aligned and supportive.

They need to as the ARU still own the Force license.........

 

[Killer]

They need to as the ARU still own the Force license...

Well in essence even from now, but definitely in the near future, The Force and TF own the ARU.

 

[dru]

They need to as the ARU still own the Force license...

Let them have it, thanks to the ARU it's worthless. WA fans will put the good will, and therefore the IP value behind Twiggy, not something owned by the ARU.

What's in a name?

 

[kiap]

They need to as the ARU still own the Force license...

The IP is worth something, although not a whole lot.

Licence? No.

What they would be seeking is ARU co-operation to be playing - specifically - "rugby union". Otherwise it is rebel footy, which I don't think anyone wants.

 

[Aurelius]

Must have missed this bit - Re: not running on same time zone as Super Rugby but makes sense with their position not to work against Super Rugby re: keep ARU aligned and supportive.

I suppose so, but you're going to get a lot of itchy feet waiting until August or so to re-launch the Force and the new competition - and even then you'd just be setting up a conflict with the NRC. Speaking purely as a Force fan, assuming the set-up is going to be home-and-away fixtures against each team plus a grand final, for an 11-week comp ... I wouldn't mind a launch in April, running until July, followed by the Wallabies season and the NRC (in which the Spirit will still hopefully be playing a part. Of course, if the Spirit get cut too, that's probably a moot point).
EDIT: I think this must be the article referred to earlier: http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/ru...n/news-story/070f809d128086133e2a5e8931693bd4 which basically talks about a six or seven week long tournament starting after the Super Rugby season, featuring a few experimental law variations and with a healthy sprinkling of hired guns to give it some profile. Well, I'll take what I can get, and it at least opens up the possibility of some of our existing squad signing contracts with other Super Rugby teams and then making themselves available for the Fortescue Cup or whatever it'll be called.

 

[Slim 293]

Well in essence even from now, but definitely in the near future, The Force and TF own the ARU.

If you want to keep believing that..........

 

[Killer]

If you want to keep believing that....

life must be hard for you Eeyore err Slim, dragging your arse around with no vision or hope for the future.