Where to for Super Rugby?

[Dismal Pillock]

Andy Marinos is completely deluded if he thinks this tilted garbage attendance-free comp has anything even resembling a prosperous future.

Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

“There is an incredible amount of detailed work taking place in this review and we have specialist groups working across all aspects of the review."

 

[Rebels3]

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

Just like the Force saga, the cheetahs and kings leaving, etc. usually when there is numerous reports suggesting something they have all generally been on the money (even if they take a while to eventuate).

Time SAF show their cards for everyone else to plan for the future.

Even SANZAARS words don't rule out anything.

 

[Rebels3]

Btw i don't want more games to go oversea's etc. I barely get any rugby over the year anyway, when you compare to over sports. 8 homes games and 1 international over 52 weeks isn't enough to engage. Unlike other sports where you get 11/12 home games and have the ability to see other matches involving your team as several teams are only a stone throw away.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

Just like the Force saga, the cheetahs and kings leaving, etc. usually when there is numerous reports suggesting something they have all generally been on the money (even if they take a while to eventuate).

Time SAF show their cards for everyone else to plan for the future.

Even SANZAARS words don't rule out anything.

Martin Anaryi has publicly stated that the Pro 14 are keen on adding more SA franchises. The SANZAAR statement feels a bit panicked from my reading. And I can see some interesting phone calls in the background.

 

[half]

Martin Anaryi has publicly stated that the Pro 14 are keen on adding more SA franchises. The SANZAAR statement feels a bit panicked from my reading. And I can see some interesting phone calls in the background.

Agree

Also as I have posted before [many times] is that with time zones, money, soft political capital to Europe, soft power growth in Europe, it always been a matter of time.

Lets be fair, put yourself in their shoes, we are a basket case holding on by our finger nails, NZ have a small population with close to the lowest pick up of subscription TV in the western world. What does Europe offer.

Now consider our ratings and increased competition from everywhere. Cricket and the 100 ball game which starts in England will explode IMO and could become a sport played into late April. NRL talking about adding two new teams, AFL new competition formats, soccer going to 12 more likely 16 teams, netball growing faster than weeds, basketball also in a rapid growth period, and the clincher FFA's E-league out rating everything.

SA would be looking at this, and saying, ????????????? my bet lets go to Europe.

RA backing of SANZAAR with what appears no plan ""B"" will do untold damage from which recovery to say 2012 levels is doubtful.

 

[Derpus]

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

On the other hand, people have been saying South Africa would bail since time began.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I think the Saffers looking elsewhere is actually a good thing. What should happen is that the ARU would then say, right let's start planning for a future where we build our own product, that our own people want to get behind. I would certainly be talking to the Kiwis's about it, but the go forward doesn't have to rely on them. Thinking about it while out for a ride this morning I'm increasingly coming to the view that if Twiggy's comp gets off the ground then we go with the five OZ teams, plus HK, Japan and the PI's. The Kiwi's and Saffers can have their own comps and we do a Champions League thing at the end of it. I personally think that is more viable from a rugby and commercial POV than what is being done right now.

Since the Force was cut, Super and test rugby have effectively been dead to me. I haven't watched a minute of either. With that said, if we can work out a way to bring our rugby provinces together again I'm 100% on board. I believe the overwhelming majority of rugby people in this country want to get behind the game and our teams, it's just that the current model is stale and many of us are sick of it. I watch more Shute Shield and local club footy than anything, which means I still love the game, but not all the BS at the elite level. I'll lay money that I'm not alone.

 

[Derpus]

I think the Saffers looking elsewhere is actually a good thing. What should happen is that the ARU would then say, right let's start planning for a future where we build our own product, that our own people want to get behind. I would certainly be talking to the Kiwis's about it, but the go forward doesn't have to rely on them. Thinking about it while out for a ride this morning I'm increasingly coming to the view that if Twiggy's comp gets off the ground then we go with the five OZ teams, plus HK, Japan and the PI's. The Kiwi's and Saffers can have their own comps and we do a Champions League thing at the end of it. I personally think that is more viable from a rugby and commercial POV than what is being done right now.

Since the Force was cut, Super and test rugby have effectively been dead to me. I haven't watched a minute of either. With that said, if we can work out a way to bring our rugby provinces together again I'm 100% on board. I believe the overwhelming majority of rugby people in this country want to get behind the game and our teams, it's just that the current model is stale and many of us are sick of it. I watch more Shute Shield and local club footy than anything, which means I still love the game, but not all the BS at the elite level. I'll lay money that I'm not alone.

Makes the most sense. 8 teams, three rounds. Only take 3 weeks and we retain that international element Rugby enjoys over other sports.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

I think the Saffers looking elsewhere is actually a good thing. What should happen is that the ARU would then say, right let's start planning for a future where we build our own product, that our own people want to get behind. I would certainly be talking to the Kiwis's about it, but the go forward doesn't have to rely on them. Thinking about it while out for a ride this morning I'm increasingly coming to the view that if Twiggy's comp gets off the ground then we go with the five OZ teams, plus HK, Japan and the PI's. The Kiwi's and Saffers can have their own comps and we do a Champions League thing at the end of it. I personally think that is more viable from a rugby and commercial POV than what is being done right now.

Since the Force was cut, Super and test rugby have effectively been dead to me. I haven't watched a minute of either. With that said, if we can work out a way to bring our rugby provinces together again I'm 100% on board. I believe the overwhelming majority of rugby people in this country want to get behind the game and our teams, it's just that the current model is stale and many of us are sick of it. I watch more Shute Shield and local club footy than anything, which means I still love the game, but not all the BS at the elite level. I'll lay money that I'm not alone.

The Champions League concept is the way forward for SANZAAR in my opinion. With the developing leagues in the Americas the opportunities to grow exist in that format over any other. We should seriously be looking at the IPRC concept right about now. NZ has the talent to form a pretty competitive domestic league of their own if they so chose.

Even if the SA franchises remain I'm still convinced it's the way forward. Super Rugby as it stands has outlasted it's purpose and it's time to move beyond it. Let NZ/SA and Arg play in one competition and we'll go with the IPRC with as you suggest our 5 plus three from Asia (Hong Kong, Japan and one of either Singapore or Malaysia. Yes, Malaysia. You'd be surprised) and the two from the Pacific in the form of Fiji (who could field a very competitive side on their own) and a combined PI squad out of Hawaii (Time zones aren't actually too bad. A 5pm game on a Saturday in Honolulu would be a 3 pm Sunday game here.) funded by the group that tried to buy the Warriors before losing out the Auckland Rugby League. They have expressed interest in setting up this kind of team based in Honolulu. Time to get on the phone to them.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Makes the most sense. 8 teams, three rounds. Only take 3 weeks and we retain that international element Rugby enjoys over other sports.

At the longest you could do 8 weeks if broadcasters request it. Two pools of four. Home and away with the top 2 going into the semi final and the final.

 

[Derpus]

At the longest you could do 8 weeks if broadcasters request it. Two pools of four. Home and away with the top 2 going into the semi final and the final.

I don't think that's the go though. Domestic League, Champions Cup. A trophy for each.

 

[Boof1050]

This is going to be a VERY long week for you, my good man. Dismal Pillock would be loving this.

I'm having a good laugh at BHs expense! Thanks Auckland.
as it says in the presser DESIRED OUTCOME. Nothing concrete there.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

I don't think that's the go though. Domestic League, Champions Cup. A trophy for each.

Just throwing up another alternative.

 

[Dan54]

Really? You lot are upset with Marino's statement? FFS what do you want him to say? Oh yeah by the way we are not looking at the future and where Super rugby should go? If he said anything else most would be whinging about not looking to the future. Pretty obvious they will be looking at how changes can be made, remembering that this is where the main coin that actually keeps the game afloat down this side of the world. For all the screaming and hair pulling going on, where were all these knowledgeable people when the original Super comp started expanding? Though to be fair if it hadn't of expanded all the ones screaming about the Force being cut wouldn't have to worry because they wouldn't of existed!! I think they have made some cock ups, but didn't really know before they actually turned out to be cock ups. As for the idea of Aus teams joining the Force in the Twiggy comp, do you think Twiggy has the spare coin ,or the ability to pay all the wages in Aus rugby? Because basically thats what's happening in that comp! I hope Sanzaar board are sitting there with and discussing every option that anyone can come up with, even the oddball ones like the ones discussed on here by people who have absolutely no idea how to run or fund

 

[Boof1050]

Really? You lot are upset with Marino's statement? FFS what do you want him to say? Oh yeah by the way we are not looking at the future and where Super rugby should go? If he said anything else most would be whinging about not looking to the future. Pretty obvious they will be looking at how changes can be made, remembering that this is where the main coin that actually keeps the game afloat down this side of the world. For all the screaming and hair pulling going on, where were all these knowledgeable people when the original Super comp started expanding? Though to be fair if it hadn't of expanded all the ones screaming about the Force being cut wouldn't have to worry because they wouldn't of existed!! I think they have made some cock ups, but didn't really know before they actually turned out to be cock ups. As for the idea of Aus teams joining the Force in the Twiggy comp, do you think Twiggy has the spare coin ,or the ability to pay all the wages in Aus rugby? Because basically thats what's happening in that comp! I hope Sanzaar board are sitting there with and discussing every option that anyone can come up with, even the oddball ones like the ones discussed on here by people who have absolutely no idea how to run or fund

I reckon there's no doubt Dan that he has the coin to pay the wages, just probably doesn't want to fork out coin for underachievers or subsidise a bunch of numpty's in charge of the shit show.

 

[Derpus]

^^^^

Of course he has the money. As to whether he wants to spend any of it.....................

 

[Dan54]

I reckon there's no doubt Dan that he has the coin to pay the wages, just probably doesn't want to fork out coin for underachievers or subsidise a bunch of numpty's in charge of the shit show.

You think he would pay the coin for all Aus rugby? What we all have to remember is the top clubs in Europe tend to be losing money hand over fist, many are paid for by people as rich as Twiggy, and they only pay for the players in one club! There is every chance that Premier clubs in NH will start collapsing if their benefactors decide they are sick of losing money, and I would be surprised if SA super teams would all want to head up there where the slice of the TV pie would be a lot less that what they receive in Super rugby.

 

[SouthernX]

Super 20

Australasia Division

Brisbane
Sydney
West Sydney
Melbourne
Perth
Tokyo
Singapore
Hong Kong
Beijing
Argentina

NZ/Pacific

Aukland
Wellington
Christchurch
Hamilton
Otago
Napier
Samoa
Fiji
Tonga
Honollulu

Argentina is the only out of place team in this scenario however this is simply just due to the direct flights from Beunos Aries.. I don't even know if they have direct flights from Aukland to Argentina? I do think Argentina will want to stay in the Southern hemisphere competition as opposed to joining pro14.. but idk where they stand.

Rest of the other international destinations outside of the respective conferences can be serviced by direct flights.

Obviously this plan is biting off more then we can chew... but getting a foothold into the American market is imperative. They have had time after time failed rugby union competitions in the USA and i believe it all boils down to the talent on offer in those competition. If you could get a USA team based in Honolulu with games played sporadically on the mainland you'd then have an avenue to tap into the amazing advertising revenue streams that USA has to offer.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Really? You lot are upset with Marino's statement? FFS what do you want him to say? Oh yeah by the way we are not looking at the future and where Super rugby should go? If he said anything else most would be whinging about not looking to the future. Pretty obvious they will be looking at how changes can be made, remembering that this is where the main coin that actually keeps the game afloat down this side of the world. For all the screaming and hair pulling going on, where were all these knowledgeable people when the original Super comp started expanding? Though to be fair if it hadn't of expanded all the ones screaming about the Force being cut wouldn't have to worry because they wouldn't of existed!! I think they have made some cock ups, but didn't really know before they actually turned out to be cock ups. As for the idea of Aus teams joining the Force in the Twiggy comp, do you think Twiggy has the spare coin ,or the ability to pay all the wages in Aus rugby? Because basically thats what's happening in that comp! I hope Sanzaar board are sitting there with and discussing every option that anyone can come up with, even the oddball ones like the ones discussed on here by people who have absolutely no idea how to run or fund

Upset. I cannot speak for anyone else but I'm not upset about his statement. I see it as an attempt to try and shut down any suggestion of the SA franchises moving north as being legitimate. What I find amusing is that it comes across as a bit panicked.

 

[Dan54]

Upset. I cannot speak for anyone else but I'm not upset about his statement. I see it as an attempt to try and shut down any suggestion of the SA franchises moving north as being legitimate. What I find amusing is that it comes across as a bit panicked.

So I am assuming he has been asked by a journo if rumours from an unnamed source on a website is true,or has legs. Tell me what you would of said!