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George Smith (75)
I suspect you'd find NZRU less demanding & way less likely to threaten to leave if they don't get their own way than SARU.
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I suspect you'd find NZRU less demanding & way less likely to threaten to leave if they don't get their own way than SARU.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Point one is at serious risk now with the viewership statistics and we will be relying heavily on re-selling/expansion into Euroland to just maintain what we have now. Uncontrollables come into play as well with a very flat (and that is generous) wages outlook we have a declining discretionary spend and Pay TV certainly falls into that category. There is no easy fix, but certainly a key is improving the quality of product, and IMO achieving that with the power structures we have is pretty long odds to be achievable.
As GoT (and in keeping with your previous references) is the biggest money earner around ATM perhaps we can have a Dothraki Khal type purging of the RUs and invite the Khaleesi herself to preside. Would be the largest Rugby event in the history of the game anywhere and a massive money earner on so many levels.
Any new competition simply cannot be on PayTV if you want it to succeed where Super has failed, i.e. Western Sydney etc. Doesn't matter how much potential money you lose initially.
Once the game is popular enough it will still make good TV money without having to be on foxtel.
dru
David Wilson (68)
Good, I'm completely happy for you to disagree.
Personally I seriously doubt that Aus pro rugby can survive under the current ARU/SANZAR/NZRU/SARU nexus.
Killer
Cyril Towers (30)
Killer
Cyril Towers (30)
Maybe 2 players per squad? we need to focus on our own depth a give young players a reason to stay involved.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
True, i think more than 2 though and maybe a minimum age, say 24 or summin.
dru
David Wilson (68)
Brent, like it or not, NZRU and SANZAR are a key cog in this mess.
[Mate, I am re-reading this before posting, and as usual, a caveat - I'm angry. Cheika says I'm not entitled to be, but I am. I completely respect your contributions here at G&GR but I will speak on my opinions as well. Apologies in advance if you find it offensive.]
You yourself made the point earlier, while some of us were musing on a default to domestic comp, that NZ were not compelled to fall in line and that if we reneged on Soup that you could (would?) remove the WBs from the RC.
It's that sort of view that I am over. So we have to choose ABs and a Soup system that is killing Aus pro rugby? I don't understand why even a died in the wool Kiwi rugby fan would not understand that at some point there are at least a few Aus fans who simply think, "oh well, that's over then".
NZRU are culpable here. Tew has headed SANZAR through this mess, through the expansion, the incompetent conference system, the laughably inept draw. Through an historic period of dropping game gate figures - in EVERY Nation involved.
Tew might not be as culpable as Clyne for the demise of Aus pro rugby, but he's certainly a part of it. Ditto NZRU.
While we stew on my stating what apparently I shouldn't state, let's look at a couple of figures:
GDP per capita:
South Africa: $US5,300
New Zealand $US39,500 - like many things, you guys punch well above your weight class.
Australia $US50,000 - so do we.
Which conference would a sensible sport strategise for commercial gain? Yes the broadcast figures with SA in the Euro time zone are pertinent. It's just that it is not the only thing.
Another set of figures - National GDP:
South Africa: $US0.3 Trillion
New Zealand: $US0.2 Trillion
Australia: $US 1.2 Trillion
What opportunities? Australian sporting landscape has seen Rugby drop from being the second football code in several states to probably the fourth. This has happened during the whole SANZAR/Soup thing. Yes Tew is not as culpable as say O'Neil, but still culpable.
In the mean time, even in a falling sporting $ market, all we need here in Aus is a few percentage points of improvement to change how this works. We don't need to knock mungo or kick fest of their perches. Nor Soccer. Just a couple of percentage points.
This fan, me, I'm done. It's time for Aus to actually think about it's own interests. If there is a message back to NZRU it's possibly that while Aus fans with these (my) attitudes are growing in number, we remain outnumbered by people like Derpus above. So whatever I think, it's not too late. I'd suggest Tew starts thinking about it, and the next Kiwi fan who sits ready to impart the wisdom of Aus is better with 4, or 3, or the chewie from the bottom of their boots, suggest that they should be careful what they wish for.
You suggest that NZ may be softening their thoughts of a pro-Tasman comp? Get working on it guys, some of us are simply over it. Or more to the point, when this is offered I for one now will question why this is to our benefit. Seems obvious that it should be, but we'll be checking the fine print.
Some of us are ready to cut and run. I'm quite happy for Aus pro-rugby to be without NZ teams. If that means no AB games, OK not my preference but I'll live with it. I don't know how to be clearer in this, so let me summarise>
THIS IS NOT WORKING FOR US, WE ARE NOT OBLIGED TO STAY.
The sooner we are rid of Clyne and can get on with withdrawal from Soup the better.
dru
David Wilson (68)
FFS, Derpus SURELY that means we start working on withdrawal and building the B Plan right now.
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
Shit I'm old then knowing exactly what the reference was. You didn't mention the best cult show of the 80s - Monkey.
Yes I am intentionally derailing the thread just for a bit of colour and a break in the monotony.
Magic.
Killer
Cyril Towers (30)
we need to be outward looking but need to do it from a strong foundation or we end up where we are now.
TF is all about self sustainability, without sounding like a broken record, we seem to have a perfect storm brewing to make change.
Disaffected but passionate supporters, the soup system breaking down, Wallaby results poor and a benefactor in the wings who seems prepared to backstop efforts to re boot the whole thing.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Well yeah obviously, none of us work for the ARU though. We can't withdraw anyway. We are signed up for anther two years at which point a large number of people suspect the comp will be done for good.
Your GDP figures are quite misleading. Statistics like these aren't particularly useful without a books worth of contextual information. Apartheid has ended but the inequality sure as shit hasn't. If you took all of the black people out of the GDP per capita figures i think you'll find the average white South African isn't much worse of than the average Aus/NZer. Plus, you need to factor in cultural considerations like the fact that Australians are notoriously fickle at supporting sporting teams, have a wide variety of sports to choose from etc. Just because there is money in existence does not mean that it is there for the taking and equally just because one economy is bigger than another does not mean your product will automatically make more money in the larger one.
I don't think you need to get so worked up about this. Most people are in agreement that Soup is fucked as it stands. From all 5 countries and beyond.
dru
David Wilson (68)
Derpus, South African politics while an important justice issue, is not pertinent to a rugby commercial discussion.
In the mean time where do you look for economic strength to build Aus pro rugby? SA is not the answer.
MarkJ
Bob Loudon (25)
Shit I'm old then knowing exactly what the reference was. You didn't mention the best cult show of the 80s - Monkey.
Killer
Cyril Towers (30)
Clyne is completely out of touch with Aus rugby supporters and common sense.
He is so full of BS it is difficult to comprehend how he can be prepared to put himself up to ridicule with such comments reeking of self interest.
He can't use the financial issue anymore.
He can't use the grassroots issue anymore.
He can't use the fear SANZAAR will sue us reason anymore.
He is now trying to use the on field performance, if so then why get rid of the Force, the 2nd top performer?
He doesn't care about Aus rugby just saving his own skin. How weak are the other Board members!
“The reason we’re pushing on (with the move to cull a team) is that whatever 2020 delivers, Australia’s best negotiating position will be going in with strong, on-field performances,” Clyne said. “Because that gives us the opportunity to say we are a country that’s delivering on the field and therefore should have an ability to help shape the competition. Simple as that.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...r/news-story/3a1c2f26f6eb2ee3020d6762a70a0631
He is so full of BS it is difficult to comprehend how he can be prepared to put himself up to ridicule with such comments reeking of self interest.
He can't use the financial issue anymore.
He can't use the grassroots issue anymore.
He can't use the fear SANZAAR will sue us reason anymore.
He is now trying to use the on field performance, if so then why get rid of the Force, the 2nd top performer?
He doesn't care about Aus rugby just saving his own skin. How weak are the other Board members!
“The reason we’re pushing on (with the move to cull a team) is that whatever 2020 delivers, Australia’s best negotiating position will be going in with strong, on-field performances,” Clyne said. “Because that gives us the opportunity to say we are a country that’s delivering on the field and therefore should have an ability to help shape the competition. Simple as that.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...r/news-story/3a1c2f26f6eb2ee3020d6762a70a0631
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