What is wrong with the Tahs

[Slim 293]

Let me ask you this...

If injures have really had an effect... Which injured players would make a difference had they been playing in recent weeks?

You've pretty much had a full strength forward pack..

There's no hidden playmakers we don't know about?

 

[waratahjesus]

Let me ask you this...

If injures have really had an effect... Which injured players would make a difference had they been playing in recent weeks?

You've pretty much had a full strength forward pack..

There's no hidden playmakers we don't know about?

B.Foley has been missing last three weeks, he has been one of the biggest back line sparks for the Tahs this year.

D.Mitchell - leadership, hard running, try scoring ability (is to NSw what digby is to QLD in my opinion)

L.Turner - speed, decision making, leadership.

Alcock - we have missed his speed and ball running.

Vickerman - you can argue he has been missing all year, but like Elsom we miss the leadership these guys can provide at times.

 

[fatprop]

Other sides have injuries and they can keep their structure, they have plan

 

[waratahjesus]

Eh, if the Brumbies had that injury list (which amounts to a handful of players), but still fielded a team filled with Wallabies and experienced players like the Tahs then, no... it wouldn't be an excuse.

You obviously see the difference?

Please tell me you're not blind to the fact that there's a clear difference?

What difference, there are 30 people in a squad, 22 in a match day team, having 12 of these players unavailable due to injury and suspension at different times of a season has an impact on continuity and performance. I am nit just debating about the brumbies game,(and not at all with the result) it's about the whole season. As I said previously simply saying "you have wallabies" isn't saying anything. It's a team sport. Having a reshuffled back line is costing the Tahs (I believe the back line coaching is also costing them) combinations in rugby are gold, the Tahs are failing to build them in the backs. So as I see it, injuries are having an impact on the Tahs season.

 

[Slim 293]

Ugh... I won't debate this any further because I think it's pretty clear that the Tahs have excellent depth in their team and injuries hasn't affected them like it did last year... And yet they made the finals then.

Blaming their problems on injuries is ignoring the real issues.

 

[tigerland12]

Injuries can never be an excuse, it can affect certain aspects of the teams play, but every side confronts injury issues, players have to perform regardless.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Injuries can never be an excuse, it can affect certain aspects of the teams play, but every side confronts injury issues, players have to perform regardless.

If you lose 4 fly-halves do you get some credit?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

If you lose 4 fly-halves do you get some credit?

I reckon the first year yes......but the second, third and fourth should ring some alarm bells as to what the hell you're doing to your fly halves

 

[Gnostic]

I think a fair bit of what is wrong with the Tahs can be traced back to the fawning Sydney media. Case in point the claims by Harris in the Oz today that the Tahs were the better team, and the SMH's claim that they can still make the finals, feed the propaganda which means the Tahs can deny they have serious problems.

Great to see a post from you Juan. Lurking and not speaking, maybe I should get some lessons from you mate.

 

[Gnostic]

what? since (say) 1985?

Actually the last great Tahs side was the 1991-1992 side that beat the Welsh test team 65-0 (score from memory) coached by Rod Macqueen. Side after that was also handy under Greg Smith by then they were in decline and after 1995 they have been the professional side we see now, play Not to Lose, not playing to win. They had the game won 15 minutes to go and they shut up shop, even to the point of replacing attacking players with defensive units like Carter.

 

[Gnostic]

WJ - you sung the same song last year, and I am sure if I had been posting here in 2009 and 2008 and 2007 ...... the same song would have been sung.

Have the Tahs in any game against average to good opposition played well this year or last? The answer is no. For the playing roster they have regardless of injury they do not meet their base level potential. Indeed the Brumbies as they did 1995-2003 with a TEAM of no names and discards have outperformed them in terms of actual playing performance. I care not what the results are, I just want them to play well.

One thing can highlight the total lack of any real attitude of playing to win, under 15 minutes to go the Tahs twice hoofed the ball down field so that no effective chase could be mounted as it was too deep, nor did the ball ever look like it was meant to go out let alone actually make the touch line. On both occassions the Bulls returned the kicks into touch inside the Tahs 22. I don't give a shit what the idiotic commentators say about kicking, the only thing that matters is if they kick there must be an aim to the kick, and it MUST be executed in an efficient and skilled manner. The Tahs just don't do this 7 times out of 10 and so I must reluctantly conclude (as I beleieve a good side needs to be able to produce a truly balanced game) that they should never kick because they seriously suck at it. On top of that name a Tahs back who can actually pass the ball, apart from short passing (and even that is ordinary at times).

My questions from last year remain valid. Answer why no matter who the players are and who is coach they play the same. Tell me how this years performances and tactics were different from last year? There were some subtle differences yes but the totality was no different.

 

[Gnostic]

Why do the Tahs consistently fail to fulfill expectations year after year, even if their playing roster includes many wallabies and they represent one of the largest rugby talent pools in the country?
Is it "soft" coaching (e.g. inability to bench out-of-form stars and take hard decisions)?
Is it politics?
Is it incompetence by the administration?
Do injuries justify another poor season?
Does the rugby program needs to change?
What needs to be done to get this team back on the right track?
Complex situation.

As Redshappy suggested, here is the debate from last year. You will note the similarities in argument and posters suggesting same excuses from last year.

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/community/threads/the-ongoing-tragedy-of-the-waratahs.7765/

 

[Vanuatu Chiefs]

After 12 minutes against the 'saders how well is Kurtley Beale playing compared with the various efforts from the Tahs' no. 10s this year? He looks so much better for the Rebels at 10 than 15 where his chances were far fewer. So much spark and class missing for the Tahs. Lee predicted how much his loss would hurt in his first post in the Tahs 2012 thread. How true.

At least we can look forward to Beale's brilliance in the tests.

 

[rugbysmartarse]

KB (Kurtley Beale) manages to pass the ball to where the receiver should be, forcing them to run hard to it. I noticed quade do it a lot last year as well. It takes trust as well as skill, and I doubt any of the tahs have either enough to pull it off

 

[I like to watch]

My questions from last year remain valid. Answer why no matter who the players are and who is coach they play the same. Tell me how this years performances and tactics were different from last year? There were some subtle differences yes but the totality was no different.

There is no difference, the current coach was the defacto coach last year, nothing has changed. In the after match interview all the clown wanted to do was to tell us what they did well.
These fuckwits are kidding, when you lose you did not do well. Accept it so that you can address it and change it.
He is clearly not telling players they need to step it up, he is enabling them to perform poorly with no penalty.

 

[Gnostic]

The only thing I will point out is that the Rebels played with more application and acuracy losing to the Bulls last weeks than we have seen from the Tahs this year and or last year when they have faced the better sides.

 

[I like to watch]

KB (Kurtley Beale) manages to pass the ball to where the receiver should be, forcing them to run hard to it. I noticed quade do it a lot last year as well. It takes trust as well as skill, and I doubt any of the tahs have either enough to pull it off

They both also have support players who run a line and don't wait for the ball before commencing their run.It seems to me that a Tah backline movement is all about recycle. Ball runners cannot run a line before they get the ball,they must all stay behind the ball carrier for the recycle.
If Foley doesn't trust his backline, he should either send these players he doesn't trust back to Shute shield or, get a job with Sydney Uni where physical domination & the recycle is king.

 

[rugbysmartarse]

There is no difference, the current coach was the defacto coach last year, nothing has changed. In the after match interview all the clown wanted to do was to tell us what they did well.
These fuckwits are kidding, when you lose you did not do well. Accept it so that you can address it and change it.
He is clearly not telling players they need to step it up, he is enabling them to perform poorly with no penalty.

That really pissed me off too. I was disappointed until I heard the interview, then I realised it was all over for this season if the coach thought there were positives to be had from that game. Frankly, the more positives you can point to and still lose is indicative of the lack of composure and ability to close out the game

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Actually the last great Tahs side was the 1991-1992 side that beat the Welsh test team 65-0 (score from memory) coached by Rod Macqueen. Side after that was also handy under Greg Smith by then they were in decline and after 1995 they have been the professional side we see now, play Not to Lose, not playing to win. They had the game won 15 minutes to go and they shut up shop, even to the point of replacing attacking players with defensive units like Carter.

that was their best in living memory but they didn't do well in s10 or whatever it was with macqueen, as I recall


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[RedsHappy]

Just a side point: don't the Rebels have injuries too?