Western Force 2012

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Waylon, lots to agree with there. The WA economy is doing better than any time in my living memory and large parts of the grass roots rugby community as well. Our junior rep teams are producing an increasingly large number of quality players and I think I'm right in saying that we had our best representation ever of players in the Australian Schoolboys squad last year. So at underage level, the raw materials are being produced.

Now what is required is the pathway to get them into the Force system. I've long believed that the surest way to long term success in any sporting code is to invest in youth and coach them up. It breeds greater loyalty and is actually a lot cheaper than importing marquee players. The Perth first grade comp will either have to step up or we'll have to get guys playing in Sydney or Brisbane to earn their stripes. This of course makes them recruiting targets for the Eastern States teams.

The Cru didn't get to be the force (pardon the pun) they are by importing players. That Canterbury system is a well oiled machine for churning out great young players.

 

[Ruggo]

The Force need to take the same move the Brumbies have and get their players involved in WA rugby. If you have a Force contract, you should be playing your club rugby in the local competition.

 

[GaffaCHinO]

The Force need to take the same move the Brumbies have and get their players involved in WA rugby. If you have a Force contract, you should be playing your club rugby in the local competition.

most do. We had mafi for a heap of games last year and then David smith during the bye. Most player played for a local club during the bye.


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[RedsHappy]

The Force have to stop importing and start from the ground up.
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Rugby WA needs to build academies, pump money and elite coaches into the junior systems and hire people more capable at building the organisation from the ground up.......better systems, administration, coaching, development, junior systems

The great opportunity seems to be being p1ssed into the wind

There is too much "we can't afford" this or that......."we can't do this"..........."that won't work in WA"........"we can't"........."there's no funds"

They need a CEO "who can" and asks "how can we" rather than "it can't be done"
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The wheels have fallen off. This may be reflected in the results of the Force in 2012

Waylon, I sense you're 100% right on this, in general. The near unique WA-based challenges of building a successful and potentially championship or S15 Finals team (as distinct from the Force of 2010-12) and a great rugby State base in WA, clearly requires a combination of substantial capital $s and a crack board and management team (in all of business, rugby team and membership management dimensions).

Following it's near-death crisis that was years in the making, QLD in 2012 is the only State RU that looks like possessing a top calibre coaching and business team and a Board that understands what's required to build a successful rugby franchise in this era. WA Rugby has a bucketload of excuses for its enduring mediocrity of outcomes, but the record is clear after 6 years and there appears no signs of major change being considered.

The ARU essentially funds all these franchises via its Wallaby and general media licensing income, but it sits and watches routinely poor outcomes in the State RUs and only intervenes in an utterly crisis-management role when a franchise is at a (typically predictable) death's door. This is absolute nuts, as a total development and management system for a major sports code.

For most of the State RUs, a radical reconstruction of each based upon the injection of private equity and the professional upgrade of competencies likely to flow from that appears the only way the managerial mediocrity and typical excuses-making will be thwarted. As you say, we have the ludicrous situation now of ARU-led vicious circles of salary caps and team overhead cost cuts (whilst the ARU elite earns big 6/7 figure salaries), just when the game clearly needs major investment and the retention in Australia of the best players. Let alone when in parallel the AFL and NRL have rapidly growing incomes.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

The Force need to take the same move the Brumbies have and get their players involved in WA rugby. If you have a Force contract, you should be playing your club rugby in the local competition.

Yep. Though as Gaffa said, it does happen. Pocock has played some games for my club, Uni and I am pretty sure Brown has played for Cott. You're right though, it needs to happen more.

 

[GaffaCHinO]

Yep. Though as Gaffa said, it does happen. Pocock has played some games for my club, Uni and I am pretty sure Brown has played for Cott. You're right though, it needs to happen more.

yep the old browny incident they love that at cott. He didn't play all year for them and because he was coming back from injury and trying to prove his fitness for the wallabies they changed the rules do he could play for cott in the grand final which they won lol (rules say you need to have played 6 regular season games to play in the finals) but get when your a wallabies anything goes. Neddies people love this one lol


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[Waylon]

Playing doesn't really help that much. Nobody learns much from a "guest appearance"

They should be forced to train with a club once a week. They are full time professionals. Perhaps Tuesdays they could get out of bed before 10AM and do a session for the Force in the morning and spend Tuesday night with a local club.

There would be better recruitment for local clubs and the elite skills would filter down through

They can have the night off if they have to tour

 

[Forcefield]

Is that even going to make that much of a big difference? Club rugby in Perth will improve but slowly. Since the Force started junior numbers have greatly increased and you can bet that the kid's skill levels are higher. In 2011 WA had one Australian Schoolboy and 4 Australia A Schoolboys selected. Our best year to date.

The ARU's decision to cut academy funding and put it into the Sydney and Brisbane academies was fully fucked. It totally cut the pathway for young players here. WA has the potential to be a rugby power partly due to very little competition from other sports teams- notably no NRL- and the strong supporter base for the team.

 

[Moono75]

Looks like the Force will be busy on the recruitment front at the end of the year. Report in the Australian that Stannard is heading to Japan.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...nara-leaves-hole/story-e6frg7o6-1226294054501

WESTERN Force's search for a new five-eighth will intensify when stand-in No 10 James Stannard leaves Perth at the end of the season to play in Japan. It is understood Stannard has agreed to terms with a Japanese club and has sought an early release from his contract so he can move to Japan as soon as his Super Rugby commitments are over.​

 

[suckerforred]

Looks like the Force will be busy on the recruitment front at the end of the year. Report in the Australian that Stannard is heading to Japan.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...nara-leaves-hole/story-e6frg7o6-1226294054501

WESTERN Force's search for a new five-eighth will intensify when stand-in No 10 James Stannard leaves Perth at the end of the season to play in Japan. It is understood Stannard has agreed to terms with a Japanese club and has sought an early release from his contract so he can move to Japan as soon as his Super Rugby commitments are over.​

That's a pity. Anyone in the know in WA - what is the problem with retaining players? Aside from the obvious sacking and retirement, is there an underlying issue that means the boys don't want to stay?

 

[Shiggins]

That's a pity. Anyone in the know in WA - what is the problem with retaining players? Aside from the obvious sacking and retirement, is there an underlying issue that means the boys don't want to stay?

I don't think so. Think logically. We struggle to keep backs. We have a ridiculous back row and they have stayed on. Those blokes could of Easley gone elsewhere. Stannard is getting on. He won't have a wallaby ambition I believe. Or at least thinks he won't get a shot so why would he play here? What's the point when he can make good money and experience the world.


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[Moono75]

I was positive.....but oh shit its gonna be a long year. RG he sucks

 

[kiap]

Is that even going to make that much of a big difference? Club rugby in Perth will improve but slowly. Since the Force started junior numbers have greatly increased and you can bet that the kid's skill levels are higher. In 2011 WA had one Australian Schoolboy and 4 Australia A Schoolboys selected. Our best year to date.

The ARU's decision to cut academy funding and put it into the Sydney and Brisbane academies was fully fucked. It totally cut the pathway for young players here. WA has the potential to be a rugby power partly due to very little competition from other sports teams- notably no NRL- and the strong supporter base for the team.

Good post, but the NRL thing probably won't last long.

Put money on a pro mungo team being announced for Perthfontein by 2015.

 

[ChargerWA]

Good post, but the NRL thing probably won't last long.

Put money on a pro mungo team being announced for Perthfontein by 2015.

They should name them the Western Reds, I don't see how it could fail.........

 

[Waylon]

The ARU's decision to cut academy funding and put it into the Sydney and Brisbane academies was fully fucked. It totally cut the pathway for young players here. WA has the potential to be a rugby power partly due to very little competition from other sports teams- notably no NRL- and the strong supporter base for the team.

A good management will go out and find the money. Sponsorship, state government, create it through business............

A bad management whines about cut backs and not being able to "afford it"

Broom the management and get a capable board

It can be done.

 

[GaffaCHinO]

Sevens player answers Force SOS

The Western Force are set to sign fly-half David Harvey on a short-term contract as they look to ease their playmaker woes in the wake of the Willie Ripia affair.
They will also put outside back Tyrone Lefau from NZ national provincial championship side Counties-Manukau and a Chiefs Super Rugby development squad member on a similar deal.
Harvey is an Australian Sevens representative and winner of the 2008 and 2011 Ken Catchpole Medal for the best NSW club player.
The highest points scorer in the Shute Shield four times and a leading try scorer with Sydney club Gordon, Harvey has just returned from a spell with French club Narbonne.
He played in the Force A 61-5 win over Sydney side West Harbour on Friday and will have medical screens in Perth today.
He is expected to travel to Sydney for the Force clash with the Waratahs on Saturday, though coach Richard Graham will keep faith in James Stannard. Stannard stepped into the first-choice No.10 role after the resignation of Ripia.
Lefau, 21, is Melbourne-born, which means the Force will not have to use their vacant overseas development player spot. He was also impressive in the Force A win.
The Force, at the bottom of the Super ladder with just one bonus point from three games, are staring at a season from hell. They have had a disastrous start to the 2012 campaign and are in danger of losing touch with the finals race after Friday's 46-19 loss to the Hurricanes.
Graham faces a huge task of lifting the players after one of the worst losses in club history.
"Let's not kid ourselves. At some point we need to start the season and that means winning," he said.
"It is important. While we have to be patient, we have to bring urgency into our game, to become competitive. It has to become a habit."
In 2010, the Force went six games without a win but that year they were hurt by a huge injury toll and the shadow of coach John Mitchell's departure hanging over them.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/basketball/13141855/sevens-player-answers-force-sos/

 

[brokendown]

so,what's the thoughts on this Harvey geezer?

 

[kiap]

They should name them the Western Reds, I don't see how it could fail.........

Be sure about being sure.

Bid is from the aforementioned Reds backed by Tony Sage. Would be handy if Rugby WA had access to similar Nathan Tinkler scale backing.

NRL are looking to expand to increase their rights deals. Brisbane II is just about nailed on for a 2015 start. There will likely be between one and three more slots for 2015-2016 with Perth, CC, CQ lining up.

 

[TOCC]

Be sure about being sure.

Bid is from the aforementioned Reds backed by Tony Sage. Would be handy if Rugby WA had access to similar Nathan Tinkler scale backing.

NRL are looking to expand to increase their rights deals. Brisbane II is just about nailed on for a 2015 start. There will likely be between one and three more slots for 2015-2016 with Perth, CC, CQ lining up.

There will not be 4 expansion teams in 4 years..

 

[kiap]

There will not be 4 expansion teams in 4 years..

Possibly not.

There will be two, however.