Waratahs v Blues. Sydney.
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the gambler
Dave Cowper (27)
Re: Tahs v Blues
I guess Conrad Smith plays a similar type of role with Nonu inside him. Takes the right type of player to play that role though and dont think Barnes has ther pace or strength to be a 13. Mind you neither does Carter
waratahjesus said:
I guess Conrad Smith plays a similar type of role with Nonu inside him. Takes the right type of player to play that role though and dont think Barnes has ther pace or strength to be a 13. Mind you neither does Carter
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
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Exactly - it may not work but at least it is change.
Last year he waited too long to make change and when he did for the last 3 games it worked, especially against the Sharks.
But the 9, 10 and 12 are the same as they were against the Force. Whether the forwards get the go forward to facilitate the work of the backs, or not, I hope the backline have been practising clearing the ball quickly and passing in front of running players and dare I say it: catching the ball.
Dunno if young Kurtley at the Super level is a fullback, but I want to see if I am right or wrong - and so do a lot of folks I expect.
Newb said:
Exactly - it may not work but at least it is change.
Last year he waited too long to make change and when he did for the last 3 games it worked, especially against the Sharks.
But the 9, 10 and 12 are the same as they were against the Force. Whether the forwards get the go forward to facilitate the work of the backs, or not, I hope the backline have been practising clearing the ball quickly and passing in front of running players and dare I say it: catching the ball.
Dunno if young Kurtley at the Super level is a fullback, but I want to see if I am right or wrong - and so do a lot of folks I expect.
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I love the look of that team. Very impressive. And again, an excellent bench (whether or not it gets used is another question).
Dave Dennis has been the surprise package for me. Really like the look of him. A bit of a work horse too.
I've been putting together some stats, however much they can be frowned upon, and among the Wallaby 6 contenders (Higgers, Rocky, Mumm and Mowen [well he used to be a contender]) DD seems the best defensively.
He has made more tackles then the rest (in only 4 games) with 53 and apparently only missed one.
I love the look of that team. Very impressive. And again, an excellent bench (whether or not it gets used is another question).
Dave Dennis has been the surprise package for me. Really like the look of him. A bit of a work horse too.
I've been putting together some stats, however much they can be frowned upon, and among the Wallaby 6 contenders (Higgers, Rocky, Mumm and Mowen [well he used to be a contender]) DD seems the best defensively.
He has made more tackles then the rest (in only 4 games) with 53 and apparently only missed one.
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
Re: Tahs v Blues
Which is why he's starting and Mowen is on the bench. Mowen brings better running skills (not in evidence last week though) and attacking the other teams lineout (because Mumm won't) and is therefore a better team choice overall. But if you want someone to pull down Jerome Kaino every time then I guess its a good but conservative choice.
The only change I would make, as posted earlier, is to swap Kurtley and Berrick. Anyhow, lets see how it goes.
Which is why he's starting and Mowen is on the bench. Mowen brings better running skills (not in evidence last week though) and attacking the other teams lineout (because Mumm won't) and is therefore a better team choice overall. But if you want someone to pull down Jerome Kaino every time then I guess its a good but conservative choice.
The only change I would make, as posted earlier, is to swap Kurtley and Berrick. Anyhow, lets see how it goes.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
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Me too, I'm taking to him after saying that he was just a good ball runner at the club level and was a hard worker, but not much else.
Some people want precedence for Mowen, but whilst he is better in the lineout and a better stepper, Dennis has looked to me like a harder player and more interested in making a difference at the coal face. He can use the ball better too IMO.
As for stats available to the general public: I don't frown on them per se, but they are just one clue to making assessments of a player.
In amateur boxing the most important thing in judging the performances of the two boxers is the total number of punches landed.
It's different in pro boxing. The judges make a subjective opinion about fight management, whether the punch is clean or not, and regardless of that or the number thrown, the effect of punching in the round. They also give a premium for good defence.
The pro way is better though, not to the point, it is better for amateur boxing that they do what they do.
Many of the rugby stats are like objective amateur boxing stats. Give me a bit of subjectivity.
Noddy said:
Me too, I'm taking to him after saying that he was just a good ball runner at the club level and was a hard worker, but not much else.
Some people want precedence for Mowen, but whilst he is better in the lineout and a better stepper, Dennis has looked to me like a harder player and more interested in making a difference at the coal face. He can use the ball better too IMO.
As for stats available to the general public: I don't frown on them per se, but they are just one clue to making assessments of a player.
In amateur boxing the most important thing in judging the performances of the two boxers is the total number of punches landed.
It's different in pro boxing. The judges make a subjective opinion about fight management, whether the punch is clean or not, and regardless of that or the number thrown, the effect of punching in the round. They also give a premium for good defence.
The pro way is better though, not to the point, it is better for amateur boxing that they do what they do.
Many of the rugby stats are like objective amateur boxing stats. Give me a bit of subjectivity.
the gambler
Dave Cowper (27)
Re: Tahs v Blues
Yep, what Lee said.
From what I have seen Mowen cannot pass, break tackles or be a physical presence. Dennis has shown all of these attributes and for me is a much better selection than Mowen. I do admit than Mowen can chip and chase and bomb trys but these are not things I look for in a No. 6.
Yep, what Lee said.
From what I have seen Mowen cannot pass, break tackles or be a physical presence. Dennis has shown all of these attributes and for me is a much better selection than Mowen. I do admit than Mowen can chip and chase and bomb trys but these are not things I look for in a No. 6.
topo
Cyril Towers (30)
This is the week for conservative use of the bench! That starting line up looks exciting. Mowen is the only one I would be looking to get on early, probably for Kane Douglas who might run out of steam in fast game like this one promises to be. Dennis into the 2nd row at that time. Holmes if Burgess not working, Fitzy if TPN pops a gasket, Kepu for 20 to give Baxter a rest after his injury, Caldwell for 15 to do what he did last week. Carter and Anesi for injuries only.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
Apparently Luke McAlister is making his come-back from a poor string on injuries this weekend. Unlucky for the Tahs cos i rate McAlister as one of the best inside centres around. Although he will most likely be starting from the bench.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...ster-likely-for-bench-role-20100324-qurp.html
The centre pairing of McAlister and Ranger scares the hell out of me. If McAlister is on form, n Ranger keeps playing the way he is, its got the be the centre pairing of the super 14. Watch out Tahs!
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...ster-likely-for-bench-role-20100324-qurp.html
The centre pairing of McAlister and Ranger scares the hell out of me. If McAlister is on form, n Ranger keeps playing the way he is, its got the be the centre pairing of the super 14. Watch out Tahs!
TheRiddler
Dave Cowper (27)
As per WJs request.
1. Burgess delivers quick, clean ball from the rick and aimed at the receivers breadbasket. He does not fuck about for 30 seconds so that the Blues can get their defence organised and then throw a pass that has to be collected above the head or off the ground.
2. The fullback actually attacks and has the ability to a) beat his man b) offload to whoever is off his shoulder or c) put in a skillful tactical kick that puts real pressure on the Blues.
3. Benn Robinson keeps his bind up at scrum time. He's been a bit of a naughty boy with that recently
4. There are less than 5 mid-field bombs from the Tahs
5. We have some back line moves that are a tad more effective than a one-off pass or the inside ball.
6. The backline moves requested in 5. are executed properly and timed to perfection.
7. The defensive line holds its shape and continues the generally good job its been doing.
My dinner's on the table so that will do for now.
1. Burgess delivers quick, clean ball from the rick and aimed at the receivers breadbasket. He does not fuck about for 30 seconds so that the Blues can get their defence organised and then throw a pass that has to be collected above the head or off the ground.
2. The fullback actually attacks and has the ability to a) beat his man b) offload to whoever is off his shoulder or c) put in a skillful tactical kick that puts real pressure on the Blues.
3. Benn Robinson keeps his bind up at scrum time. He's been a bit of a naughty boy with that recently
4. There are less than 5 mid-field bombs from the Tahs
5. We have some back line moves that are a tad more effective than a one-off pass or the inside ball.
6. The backline moves requested in 5. are executed properly and timed to perfection.
7. The defensive line holds its shape and continues the generally good job its been doing.
My dinner's on the table so that will do for now.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
Re: Tahs v Blues
I disagree! He's trying some-thing cos Anesi wasnt doing much. I hardly notice Anesi is even playing. Beale has potential at fullback! screw defending, waratahs are in need of good attack!
(if it was me tho, id stick mitchell at fullback, Anesi on the wing since he has speed to burn.)
#1 Tah said:
I disagree! He's trying some-thing cos Anesi wasnt doing much. I hardly notice Anesi is even playing. Beale has potential at fullback! screw defending, waratahs are in need of good attack!
(if it was me tho, id stick mitchell at fullback, Anesi on the wing since he has speed to burn.)
Epi
Dave Cowper (27)
Was going to pick the Blues but this team might just get them over the line - if the tactics are ok....
Oh and Beale is most definitely a fullback - no question. The space will suit him and I expect to see him play his best game of the season this weekend (not a high bar to clear...)
Oh and Beale is most definitely a fullback - no question. The space will suit him and I expect to see him play his best game of the season this weekend (not a high bar to clear...)
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
With that many changes, putting Holmes in to start might have been unwise. However his injection has provided some urgency to the Tahs when he comes on so at least 30 minutes thanks Hickey.
The big question is how Rene Ranger is up against two pretty handy (though slender) blokes on defence: Barnes inside shoulder, Horne outside shoulder...
The big question is how Rene Ranger is up against two pretty handy (though slender) blokes on defence: Barnes inside shoulder, Horne outside shoulder...
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