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Waratahs v Blues. Sydney.

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Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
Alas, I feel his time on this earth may be brief - his rugby time at least. I thought he would step Wulf on the run, as Kev (IIRR) was no danger running behind him. He did a slight swerve but basically he wanted to run over the Kiwi as it was more fun to do.

He must have some niggles. I'd start Fitzy next weekend and get somebody to rope TPN down to the bench.



On Brett - fair call. I was wrong - he was almost certainly injured and now you mention it I remember a bit of staggering.
 

Newb

Trevor Allan (34)
Lee Grant said:
Alas, I feel his time on this earth may be brief - his rugby time at least. I thought he would step Wulf on the run, as Kev (IIRR) was no danger running behind him. He did a slight swerve but basically he wanted to run over the Kiwi as it was more fun to do.

i saw that too. from the head on replay (wulf's backside) it looked like TPN shifted slightly infield right into wulf's body. possible he was trying to avoid the touch line as he thought he was only getting stopped if he was pushed into touch?

or maybe he just wanted to flatten the kiwi :lmao:
 
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PhucNgo

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You just need to check out PN's body position to read his intent. Just imagine looking at it from Rudi Wulf's viewpoint. That guy deserves a mention in the NZ honours list.
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
PhucNgo said:
You just need to check out PN's body position to read his intent. Just imagine looking at it from Rudi Wulf's viewpoint. That guy deserves a mention in the NZ honours list.

I made the same comment straight after his tackle. What courage.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Biffo said:
PhucNgo said:
You just need to check out PN's body position to read his intent. Just imagine looking at it from Rudi Wulf's viewpoint. That guy deserves a mention in the NZ honours list.

I made the same comment straight after his tackle. What courage.

Rudi used the same technique on Mitchell
 
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PhucNgo

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fatprop said:
Biffo said:
PhucNgo said:
You just need to check out PN's body position to read his intent. Just imagine looking at it from Rudi Wulf's viewpoint. That guy deserves a mention in the NZ honours list.

I made the same comment straight after his tackle. What courage.

Rudi used the same technique on Mitchell

Similar but not the same. In Mitchell's case he was the one with all the momentum. He got his timing and technique ass up and ended up trying to wrap his arms around Wulf who fended him off with his right (ball carrying) arm. Consequently there wasn't much of anything for Mitchell to really get his arms around = pinball.
 
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PhucNgo

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NTA said:
And Wulf made the tackle. Shmoo didn't.

Take your point, but are you said to have actually tackled the train when they peel you off the front? :thumb
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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PhucNgo said:
cyclopath said:
Yeah, it looked worse on replay than real time. At the time it just looked like players all colliding rather than intent. Kearns is THE most biased commentator out there. But at least he admits it!

Cyclo, do i need to point out the logical inconsistency here?
Please do. I see none. Being biased does not imply lack of insight, just lack of impartiality. And Kearns seems to be well aware of his partiality, and how others perceive him for it.
 

JJJ

Vay Wilson (31)
Yet more accusations of bias towards Aussie refs and Paul Marks in particular, this time from Kiwis.
Complaints from the Blues that rookie referee Garratt Williamson was bullied throughout their latest game by his two Australian assistants will be sifted at a timely meeting today.

High-performance referees manager Lyndon Bray will discuss the grievances with the Blues coaching group, who are convinced their 39-32 loss in Sydney was controlled by sideline advice from assistants Paul Marks and James Leckie.

Blues coach Pat Lam was still incensed yesterday at the 12-9 penalty count to the Waratahs, demanding some amends but equally adamant the officials had not cost his side the match.

"I want to make that really clear. That is not the reason why we lost the game but it is highlighting what is happening. This was the performance of the assistant referees with an inexperienced referee and I will leave that with Lyndon," he said.

Lam pointed out that Marks had already been benched from refereeing after the Waratahs' match with the Sharks while Leckie had been dropped by the Australian Rugby Union.


The Blues coach said he listened to the officials' calls throughout the game and felt the assistants were controlling the game.

"Normally it would be white this, blue this, blue this, white this but the whole game, white offside, white hands on, white doing this. Not one call was made against blue," he claimed.

"Probably the disturbing thing was, and this is where the experience comes in, is the fact that every call was listened to bar one. I understand that, because there is a process and he has to trust that, but an experienced referee would have asked 'are there not any calls for blue'?"

Bray had reviewed the match and did not concur with Lam's views. He had not heard the influence claimed to have been exerted by the assistant referees but he would discuss the issue with Williamson.

"All coaches are very committed to winning and I think Pat is very disappointed. He is also very level-headed and we will look at the facts together."

The Blues coach said it was easy to understand his players' frustrations when they saw different rulings for the same offences.

They just wanted consistency and felt the assistants were only watching one team.

"They were. Most of the times that can be subjective but when we have facts and proof that all the calls were white, not one was blue and that was confirmed to me by looking at the game again and listening to the audio," Lam said.

Even mild-mannered captain Keven Mealamu broke into some colourful language during the match because of his frustration.

Lam felt there would have been a better balance to the game if a senior referee such as Bryce Lawrence had been in charge.

On Saturday, experienced South African referee Craig Joubert will control the Blues game against the unbeaten competition leaders, the Bulls, with Josh Noonan and Matt Stanish on the sidelines.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=10635248
 

Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
Lam gets Joubert this week against a saffer team. Now he's really going to be upset.

From the replay I thought the calls were accurate. The Blues tend to live on the edge of the laws, I would like to see the AR's input more, particularly on forward passes and offsides.

Neutral referees will stop these complaints cold, but they won't stop complaints about bad refereeing.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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It is terrible that Assistant Referees (they are called that now, aren't they?) should assist the referee with things such as not straight in the lineout, forward passes, breakdown infringements on the opposite side to the referee, and so on.
Also shocking for a team to "lose" the penalty count 12-9 - we all know if should be 50-50.
I blame Dickinson.
 

Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
To add to my previous post: AR's should call the throw to the lineout (straight or not straight) exclusively. The ref should be watching for infringements like barging, leaving early, off-side etc. This seems obvious to me, given where the AR stands, but doesn't seem to be the rule only the exception.

Can a ref confirm what the principles are please.
 

Refabit

Darby Loudon (17)
Usually the ref will leave the lineout not straight calls to the touchy - at any level of rugby. Even when not miked up, our system is to leave the flag up for a while if throw not straight. Yes this takes another decision responsibility off ref.

Any help from touchies is good except when they are blathering ad nauseum in ref's ear at inopportune times.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Scotty said:
Kurtley at fullback? I assume he had learned to tackle overnight...

Let me rephrase:

WHAT THE HELL IS HICKEY THINKING PUTTING A GUY WHO CANT DEFEND AT FULLBACK!?!?!?!?

Better than putting a non tackler at 12 or 13. Don't you remember players such as Merhtens being hidden from front line defense by playing fullback when the opposition has the ball?

I think Beale will go well at fullback. He has the skills and is actually pretty quick.

On the back of Gagger's most recent post on the Blog and Beale being mentioned as a fullback possibility for the Wallabies, I thought I'd do what everyone else has done and dig up and old post and quote myself.

Also mentioned it in the Reds vs Tahs Trial thread.

Beale has found his long term position.
 

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
Yeah, often defending at FB is more about taking their space and forcing them to the sideline then actual tackling.
 
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