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Waratahs 2021

Jimmyjam

Watty Friend (18)
No Tepai for the first game - injured or not selected?


After watching the trial match v Reds I would suggest not selected.... with low probability of getting picked again.

Whilst he is a big hard running unit with soft hands and hits hard in D (when he manages to hit the target), he was looking slow and ponderous against the Reds. Really poor lateral movement, got smoked a few times by faster runners etc. If he starts in 12 the opposition will be running plays all day to catch him out. Poor defensive reads, slow reaction times etc.

IMO he is unfortunately a bet that we lost in the NRL convert gamble. He will be moved on for sure after his contract ends this year and back to the NRL.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Maybe when Donaldson returns Moeroa can get a run on the bench. Donaldson covers 10/15, Maddocks can shift to the wing and Walton/Newsome covers 13.

We've currently got Edmed on the bench covering 10/12 and Nawaqanitawase covering the back 3. Newsome covers 13.

It's a shame that Moeroa hasn't worked out, but on the other hand I think Walton exceeded expectations massively last year and I think he could have a huge season.

Getting Perese could also be a huge gain. He was touted as a Wallaby-in-waiting before things fell apart and if he can stay healthy (which was a problem before) and is really determined to resurrect his career he could be anything.
 

Jimmyjam

Watty Friend (18)
Maybe when Donaldson returns Moeroa can get a run on the bench. Donaldson covers 10/15, Maddocks can shift to the wing and Walton/Newsome covers 13.

We've currently got Edmed on the bench covering 10/12 and Nawaqanitawase covering the back 3. Newsome covers 13.

It's a shame that Moeroa hasn't worked out, but on the other hand I think Walton exceeded expectations massively last year and I think he could have a huge season.

Getting Perese could also be a huge gain. He was touted as a Wallaby-in-waiting before things fell apart and if he can stay healthy (which was a problem before) and is really determined to resurrect his career he could be anything.


I've got to say I'm absolutely rapt with the starting backline and will go on to predict they will outplay the reds wallaby backs.....

Gordon is a huge threat, Harrison, skill-wise is the best 10 in OZ right now and I wouldn't swap him for anyone. Plus kicks at 90%+

All the back five have speed, can tackle and are excellent at catch and pass. No selfish players, they all looking to shift the ball into space and all run hard in support.

I'm tipping a surprise win to the Tahs with slick backline plays being the highlight.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
I've got to say I'm absolutely rapt with the starting backline and will go on to predict they will outplay the reds wallaby backs...

Gordon is a huge threat, Harrison, skill-wise is the best 10 in OZ right now and I wouldn't swap him for anyone. Plus kicks at 90%+

All the back five have speed, can tackle and are excellent at catch and pass. No selfish players, they all looking to shift the ball into space and all run hard in support.

I'm tipping a surprise win to the Tahs with slick backline plays being the highlight.


We'll see how they go tomorrow night but I'm with you and I feel like people are heavily underrating the potential in this group.

I'm not sure they'll win but I think it will be really close.
 

dru

David Wilson (68)
I've got to say I'm absolutely rapt with the starting backline and will go on to predict they will outplay the reds wallaby backs...

Gordon is a huge threat, Harrison, skill-wise is the best 10 in OZ right now and I wouldn't swap him for anyone. Plus kicks at 90%+

All the back five have speed, can tackle and are excellent at catch and pass. No selfish players, they all looking to shift the ball into space and all run hard in support.

I'm tipping a surprise win to the Tahs with slick backline plays being the highlight.

The Tahs have a shot here, but if they do win it, I doubt it will be won in the backs. Hard to gauge with just the preseason. Reds should really start this with a W but let's see.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
I've got to say I'm absolutely rapt with the starting backline and will go on to predict they will outplay the reds wallaby backs...

Gordon is a huge threat, Harrison, skill-wise is the best 10 in OZ right now and I wouldn't swap him for anyone. Plus kicks at 90%+

All the back five have speed, can tackle and are excellent at catch and pass. No selfish players, they all looking to shift the ball into space and all run hard in support.

I'm tipping a surprise win to the Tahs with slick backline plays being the highlight.


As always it will depend on the pigs supplying solid set piece ball and whether they do their work around the field
 

Jimmyjam

Watty Friend (18)
As always it will depend on the pigs supplying solid set piece ball and whether they do their work around the field


That's a given, but with the Reds pack missing a few and the 2 kiwi locks looking good I think we'll go very well up front.
 

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
Maybe when Donaldson returns Moeroa can get a run on the bench. Donaldson covers 10/15, Maddocks can shift to the wing and Walton/Newsome covers 13.

We've currently got Edmed on the bench covering 10/12 and Nawaqanitawase covering the back 3. Newsome covers 13.

It's a shame that Moeroa hasn't worked out, but on the other hand I think Walton exceeded expectations massively last year and I think he could have a huge season.

Getting Perese could also be a huge gain. He was touted as a Wallaby-in-waiting before things fell apart and if he can stay healthy (which was a problem before) and is really determined to resurrect his career he could be anything.

Tahs can do what they like with Donaldson, Moeroa, Walton and Newsome, but moving Maddocks from fullback would be a brain explosion of the highest order, reminiscent of the Rebels misuse of him, and certainly not in the best interests of the Wallabies.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Tahs can do what they like with Donaldson, Moeroa, Walton and Newsome, but moving Maddocks from fullback would be a brain explosion of the highest order, reminiscent of the Rebels misuse of him, and certainly not in the best interests of the Wallabies.


This is solely in relation to injury cover in the case of certain bench options.

If your bench backs were a 10/15 (Donaldson) and a 12 (Moeroa) and one of your wingers got injured, the obvious choice is to play Donaldson at 15 and Maddocks on the wing. It's certainly not what you would be planning as a substitution.
 

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
Dress it up however you like BH, but Jack Maddocks simply is not a winger. I don't think he's the versatile player you think he is. Probably more a mental thing than skills related but I would be disappointed if he became disillusioned and lost the motivation to compete for the Wallabies 15 spot just to cover an injury on the wing.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Dress it up however you like BH, but Jack Maddocks simply is not a winger. I don't think he's the versatile player you think he is. Probably more a mental thing than skills related but I would be disappointed if he became disillusioned and lost the motivation to compete for the Wallabies 15 spot just to cover an injury on the wing.

Holy shit dude.

Are you suggesting he could become disillusioned and lose motivation because he had to play part of one game on the wing due to a winger suffering an injury?

The reality of most benches is that an injury to a certain back requires a reshuffle and someone already on the field has to move.

Take your Brumbies side for example? If Len Ikitau got injured at 13 would Pasitoa or Fines-Leleiwasa play 13 or would one of the other backs shuffle to 13? Whichever player ended up at 13 they would be playing in their non-ideal position. A player already on the field would move there though because it provides a better overall team than them staying where they are and playing a player even more out of position.

That has no bearing on the next game because you would then replace the 13 with a more optimal replacement.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
Dress it up however you like BH, but Jack Maddocks simply is not a winger. I don't think he's the versatile player you think he is. Probably more a mental thing than skills related but I would be disappointed if he became disillusioned and lost the motivation to compete for the Wallabies 15 spot just to cover an injury on the wing.



Maddocks best position is clearly 15, but I think there is a distinct difference between filling a spot due to injury in the back end of a game and being stuck in a spot you don't like in perpetuity
 

Rob42

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
FP, I'm intrigued. "Jack 17 Raglan St"? It's not the snappiest nickname. But there is a 17 Raglan St in Mosman, so I'm assuming there's some rugby connection there.
 

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
Maybe when Donaldson returns Moeroa can get a run on the bench. Donaldson covers 10/15, Maddocks can shift to the wing and Walton/Newsome covers 13.

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BH, I have evidently misread your post, but looking at it (above) I really don't see any mention of injury cover, although the link might be back to the earlier comment that you were replying to.

I have no argument about moving players to cover injury at the back end of a game, but even in that situation I personally would be loath to move Maddocks when a player like Newsome is available and who can play both 13 and wing. But circumstances at the time would dictate.

Like others here, I don't understand why Moeroa seems to be out of favour.

In relation to the Brumbies, and postulating an injury to Ikitau at 13, I would guess Simone would move to 13, and someone like Pasitoa or Kuenzle would fill in at 12, probably in the short term and maybe even longer. The alternative would be Tapine to come in, but he is very inexperienced at this level, or sensibly Kata when he is fit again.

I wonder if many of the SS followers here know that Simone played occasional games at 13 for Northern Suburbs?
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
BH, I have evidently misread your post, but looking at it (above) I really don't see any mention of injury cover, although the link might be back to the earlier comment that you were replying to.

I have no argument about moving players to cover injury at the back end of a game, but even in that situation I personally would be loath to move Maddocks when a player like Newsome is available and who can play both 13 and wing. But circumstances at the time would dictate.

Like others here, I don't understand why Moeroa seems to be out of favour.

In relation to the Brumbies, and postulating an injury to Ikitau at 13, I would guess Simone would move to 13, and someone like Pasitoa or Kuenzle would fill in at 12, probably in the short term and maybe even longer. The alternative would be Tapine to come in, but he is very inexperienced at this level, or sensibly Kata when he is fit again.

I wonder if many of the SS followers here know that Simone played occasional games at 13 for Northern Suburbs?


Maybe when Donaldson returns Moeroa can get a run on the bench. Donaldson covers 10/15, Maddocks can shift to the wing and Walton/Newsome covers 13.

We've currently got Edmed on the bench covering 10/12 and Nawaqanitawase covering the back 3. Newsome covers 13.

Our backline for this match is:

9. Gordon 10. Harrison 11. Ramm 12. Walton 13. Perese 14. Newsome 15. Maddocks
21. Grant 22. Edmed 23. Nawaqanitawase.

My post was about how you could include Moeroa on the bench and I suggested that it could be 22. Moeroa 23. Donaldson. This is assuming the same starting backline.

In our team to play the Reds, Edmed covers 10/12, Nawaqanitawase covers the back three although I would guess he will always play wing and Newsome would move to fullback. Newsome or Walton would cover 13 depending on whether you had already made a sub.

In the situation where Moeroa comes onto the bench and he is essentially just a 12 and Donaldson is a 10/15, you need someone else to cover a couple of positions. Newsome or Walton would still cover 13 and someone has to cover wing because it wouldn't be Donaldson playing there. My take in that team is that Maddocks would be the obvious one to shift to wing if one of your wings got injured.

I guess you could bring Moeroa on to 12, shift Walton to 13 and Perese to the wing but that is a lot more disruption.

Clearly Newsome can't be the wing cover when he is already playing there.

That is my point entirely regarding the Brumbies. The back reserves don't cover every position in the backline and in this situation, the 13 jersey would be filled by someone already on the field (Simone).
 

Blackadder

Desmond Connor (43)
Can someone please explain to me how after 2 years of being an absolute failure as an attack coach the Tahs management thought it would be intelligent to keep Whittaker?????
 
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