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I like to watch

David Codey (61)
Doesn't bother me Sully.
It's no different to KB (Kurtley Beale) or QC (Quade Cooper) declaring their desire to test themselves in Mungo,when they are in negotiations.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
And, let's face it, he's right - for some guys, there is opportunity to play overseas while they're still young and fit, and before they have to start working in an office.

If it happens to come with a big pay cheque, then great. But human psychology is interesting: if there is enough money on the table for the job at hand, people are far more interested in what the other aspects of the environment offer. I've worked a job where I got paid 20% more than I do now, but the travel and the work itself wasn't as rewarding. Its not always about the maximum amount.

And, as he says, any departure is an opportunity for someone else. We can't hang onto these blokes forever like we did with Gregan and Bernie, leaving ourselves exposed once they were done. What will the Socceroos do once Cahill retires, for example?
 

Jagman

Trevor Allan (34)
Also he and Phipps must be the most desired halves pairing for the Olympics. Maybe he's just trying play down that draw card that the ARU can use to pay him less money.


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Rob42

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Well, I don't like it. I've no problem with players looking overseas or to other domestic teams when contract negotiations are on, but there's no need to make it public. How do you feel about the workmate who's regularly telling you that he's open to other offers?
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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Well, I don't like it. I've no problem with players looking overseas or to other domestic teams when contract negotiations are on, but there's no need to make it public. How do you feel about the workmate who's regularly telling you that he's open to other offers?

It's a bit different.

Your workmate isn't asked by journalists what his future holds.

He's asked a direct question. Should he say he's not considering it at all and then he looks like a liar if he does go overseas?

Every player will be considering their options when they finish up an existing contract. At least he's being straight forward and direct.

It's the reality of the situation. Why should someone pretend that isn't the case when it clearly is?
 

Rob42

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
It's a bit different.

Your workmate isn't asked by journalists what his future holds.

He's asked a direct question. Should he say he's not considering it at all and then he looks like a liar if he does go overseas?

Every player will be considering their options when they finish up an existing contract. At least he's being straight forward and direct.

It's the reality of the situation. Why should someone pretend that isn't the case when it clearly is?

He can simply deadbat it with a "I don't discuss my future when I'm negotiating my contract", or something similar. He doesn't have to lie. Most of these blokes seem to be very capable at providing non-informative answers when it suits them. Perhaps make the journalist look for a more interesting story, like Lee Grant's excellent training reports, which contain masses more interesting information.

Of course, if these so-called news articles are actually effective in exerting pressure on the NSWRU or ARU, then shame on them.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
I'm a little off put by Foley shopping himself around in the media. Could be bias. Does it sit well with you Tahs fans?

http://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/.../story-fndpt9s1-1227193824332?from=public_rss

Don't like it - but what are you gonna do? (as they say/said in The Sopranos).
More interestingly - surely Europe is no go for him with his pop gun kicking game?
Folau must play as fullback and improve their kicking game

Its not all that attractive for the Tahs, IMHO: it means they would have a perennial cross field runner perenially in the line. God help the wingers.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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I think people underestimate that if the response comes back that they don't want to discuss it, the story ends up being spun negatively against the player and probably against the ARU.

Many fans lament articles like this appearing in the media as well as stories such as players being upbeat and confident that they've worked hard and are well prepared for their clash with the All Blacks etc. They'd prefer players not to say anything but then at the same time complain that rugby doesn't get enough attention in the media.

I think they walk a fine line between being open and talkative with the media which in my opinion is essential for getting stories about rugby in the paper and saying things that fans don't seem to like.

I also think there's a vast gulf between the sort of report that Lee Grant comes up with and the audience that finds that interesting and what would generate enough page clicks in a newspaper.
 

Jagman

Trevor Allan (34)
Like I said before if you look closely he's actually selling rugby Union, publicizing it's point of difference (opportunities for different culture/language etc.). I doubt he'll leave with an olympics around the corner, and I doubt the ARU disapprove of his comment. It's not like he mentioned the "L" word.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Ok, here's a test for Wallaby coach Michael Chieka.

His star fullback wants to play outside centre for his provincial team. The same position where we have, arguably, our best back currently playing for the Brumbies.

So does Wallaby coach Chieka pick Izzy at 13 (assuming Beale at fullback) for the good of his Tahs, or does he do what's best for the Wallabies and keep Izzy at fullback?

Perhaps the Wallaby coach will ask the Brumby coach to consider playing Kuridrani at 12 in Super Rugby, you know, for the good of the Wallabies?
 

Tex

Greg Davis (50)
I reckon we should wait until something of substance happens before piling on giving him a kicking.

While I also find the public contract speculation and double-selling pretty distasteful, I'm really just tired of wasting energy on speculation.

He's a Waratah and likely Wallaby until further notice. If he decides to leave then by all means open a can of internet echo chamber whoop arse on him.
 

Jagman

Trevor Allan (34)
I think Folau is just trying to confuse the other teams as to where he might play. In the Rugby Heaven article he also mentions wing and mentions that he will change to outside centre later in the season and mentions that he might only play that position in attack in order to be useful in different ways in a match.

There's a reason Folau hardly scored any tries at the end of the season compared to the start and it's because the other teams had him checked. He's just throwing a spanner in the works of other teams' plans to thwart him.
 

Wilson

Phil Kearns (64)
Did he say 13 specifically or just the centres? I do think he'd be better suited to 13 but they may experiment with a straight swap between him and Beale.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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Ok, here's a test for Wallaby coach Michael Chieka.

His star fullback wants to play outside centre for his provincial team. The same position where we have, arguably, our best back currently playing for the Brumbies.

So does Wallaby coach Chieka pick Izzy at 13 (assuming Beale at fullback) for the good of his Tahs, or does he do what's best for the Wallabies and keep Izzy at fullback?

Perhaps the Wallaby coach will ask the Brumby coach to consider playing Kuridrani at 12 in Super Rugby, you know, for the good of the Wallabies?

Would Beale go to fullback or would it be AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) as his 13 position would now be taken. I tend to think you might see a straight swap with AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at some point just to give it a go.

I think it may happen this year but won't be a permanent thing. The ideal time to try it to begin with would be the second half of a game where the Tahs had a good halftime lead.
 

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
Izzy could play anywhere in the back 5.


Mind you, if he is going to switch, he had better do it pronto, and stick with his decision for the whole Soup season.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
There's a reason Folau hardly scored any tries at the end of the season compared to the start and it's because the other teams had him checked. He's just throwing a spanner in the works of other teams' plans to thwart him.
Just show him the sideline: he doesn't have as much gas as his PR machine.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Ok, here's a test for Wallaby coach Michael Chieka.

His star fullback wants to play outside centre for his provincial team. The same position where we have, arguably, our best back currently playing for the Brumbies.

So does Wallaby coach Chieka pick Izzy at 13 (assuming Beale at fullback) for the good of his Tahs, or does he do what's best for the Wallabies and keep Izzy at fullback?

Perhaps the Wallaby coach will ask the Brumby coach to consider playing Kuridrani at 12 in Super Rugby, you know, for the good of the Wallabies?
Bet you Cheika will giver it a crack. If it works he'll keep him there.
 
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