Waratahs 2014

[Ash]

Turning quality fullbacks to average outside centres is one thing the all blacks have done that we should not be trying to emulate. See Christian Cullen

Also see Leon "Panadol" MacDonald, Mils Muliaina.

 

[Ash]

I would say both are quick enough when fit.
Based on those clips Carter matched him stride for stride and had the angle and start on him and Carter is not exceptional over any distance.
Jayne was never any chance of getting him. I strongly disagree with the commentary to the effect that he "managed to get away from Jayne" - I reckon Jayne spotted him 10m and the angle and gave up early.
So I dont think that tape proves the point - and that's not to say I'm am dismissing your view as untenable.

I tend to agree. Beale is deceptively quick over short distances (i.e. he has great acceleration), but his top end speed is not express. Mat Rogers was a similar case. Beale's running style isn't particularly natural and his strides seem too short to support a high top end speed, but allow for good acceleration. I think that Beale would be quick over 20m - 40m, but be average over 100m.

I wouldn't be surprised if Folau has a similar top end speed to Beale, but with significantly less acceleration.

I reckon that Beale has better footwork in static situations as he has that deceptive explosiveness with a nice step, and Folau is better once he's at speed as he has a good step and swerve for a big guy - he's a very balanced runner.

 

[TOCC]

Yep Beale has terrific acceleration but he isn't a sprinter. He might have been the fastest Wallaby over 20m but in the 60m-100m category where speed comes into it he wouldn't be the fastest.

Sprinters usually reach top speed at around 50-60m, Usain Bolt doesn't reach his until 60-80m at which point he takes the lead and extends it. In the 0 - 50m part of the race he is usually sitting comfortably behind a few other runners.

 

[cyclopath]

Yep Beale has terrific acceleration but he isn't a sprinter. He might have been the fastest Wallaby over 20m but in the 60m-100m category where speed comes into it he wouldn't be the fastest.

Sprinters usually reach top speed at around 50-60m, Usain Bolt doesn't reach his until 60-80m at which point he takes the lead and extends it. In the 0 - 50m part of the race he is usually sitting comfortably behind a few other runners.

Someone will probably correct me, but I think Beale ran sub-11 sec for 100m aged 17. That is fast. Regardless of which fraction of the 100m sees the "best" of him.


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[p.Tah]

He could of run sub 11. It doesn't appear he competed in the 100m in his final year (2006). In 2005 he ran 11.6, just behind John Grant who played for Eastwood.

100 Metre U17 Championship (2005)
1 Grant, John SIC 11.41
2 Beale, Kurtley SJC 11.61
3 Thomas, Ben TSC 11.67
4 Cameron, Sam TAS 11.71
5 Kim, David TKS 11.79
6 Flick, Allan SGS 11.98
7 Dobb, AngusSHORE 12.06
8 Zinenko, Yuri NC. 12.07
9 Chan, Brian SHS 12.35

http://portals.studentnet.edu.au/sports/uploads/DocArchive/DOCARC0001392.html#Anchor-2821

Grant ran 10.9 the following year

http://portals.studentnet.edu.au/sports/uploads/DocArchive/DOCARC0001735.html#Anchor-2821

 

[Tomikin]

Yep Beale has terrific acceleration but he isn't a sprinter. He might have been the fastest Wallaby over 20m but in the 60m-100m category where speed comes into it he wouldn't be the fastest.

Sprinters usually reach top speed at around 50-60m, Usain Bolt doesn't reach his until 60-80m at which point he takes the lead and extends it. In the 0 - 50m part of the race he is usually sitting comfortably behind a few other runners.

Where do you get your sprint knowledge or is it just what you say. Races are won in the first 5 to 20 metres and good sprinters train that. 20 to 40 the heads up. Bolt is the quickest man in the world but hasnt got the best style Tyson Gay has turn over rate is like nearly double but his stride is about half a metre less. Beale beats Foule over a 10 - 20 40 100, which in a sport where the first 10 is important means the world.

Regardless though the problem is if you catch izzy you also have to bring him down which is hard..

if you wanna talk top line speed Jesse Mogg went around Digby to a try and smoked O'Connor... Thats top line speed..

 

[Spieber]

He could of run sub 11. It doesn't appear he competed in the 100m in his final year (2006). In 2005 he ran 11.6, just behind John Grant who played for Eastwood.

100 Metre U17 Championship (2005)
1 Grant, John SIC 11.41
2 Beale, Kurtley SJC 11.61
3 Thomas, Ben TSC 11.67
4 Cameron, Sam TAS 11.71
5 Kim, David TKS 11.79
6 Flick, Allan SGS 11.98
7 Dobb, AngusSHORE 12.06
8 Zinenko, Yuri NC. 12.07
9 Chan, Brian SHS 12.35

http://portals.studentnet.edu.au/sports/uploads/DocArchive/DOCARC0001392.html#Anchor-2821

Grant ran 10.9 the following year

http://portals.studentnet.edu.au/sports/uploads/DocArchive/DOCARC0001735.html#Anchor-2821

Remembered watching this race, IIRC there was somewhat of an headwind that day - he was pretty quick back then. Ran the relay in his final year. Seem to remember Phil Waugh was also pretty fleet of foot at school.

 

[Tomikin]

He could of run sub 11. It doesn't appear he competed in the 100m in his final year (2006). In 2005 he ran 11.6, just behind John Grant who played for Eastwood.

100 Metre U17 Championship (2005)
1 Grant, John SIC 11.41
2 Beale, Kurtley SJC 11.61
3 Thomas, Ben TSC 11.67
4 Cameron, Sam TAS 11.71
5 Kim, David TKS 11.79
6 Flick, Allan SGS 11.98
7 Dobb, AngusSHORE 12.06
8 Zinenko, Yuri NC. 12.07
9 Chan, Brian SHS 12.35

http://portals.studentnet.edu.au/sports/uploads/DocArchive/DOCARC0001392.html#Anchor-2821

Grant ran 10.9 the following year

http://portals.studentnet.edu.au/sports/uploads/DocArchive/DOCARC0001735.html#Anchor-2821

Sub 11 is quick

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[cyclopath]

I guess I was misinformed. Those times seem slow for opens 100m to me. Apologies for the misdirect.


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[Tomikin]

I guess I was misinformed. Those times seem slow for opens 100m to me. Apologies for the misdirect.


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No sub 11 is fast as for people not training in sprinting I meant anyone running those times without proper sprint training is fast as rugby player put on to much size to be good sprinters

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[p.Tah]

Most school carnivals are hand timed so the times are much quicker, hence lots of boasts of sub 11 secs. Kids who haven't run on an athletic track with electronic timing before are shocked when their time is 1/2 second slower than their average hand time 100m sprint.

Anyway, way off topic. As you were.

 

[Tomikin]

Most school carnivals are hand timed so the times are much quicker, hence lots of boasts of sub 11 secs. Kids who haven't run on an athletic track with electronic timing before are shocked when their time is 1/2 second slower than their average hand time 100m sprint.

Anyway, way off topic. As you were.

I agree man, my friend owns Masters 60 and 100 metre 30 or 35 Cant remember times or is close to it and ran a 10.6 to win it in Brisbane and smoked someone running a 11.2 by so far it wasn't funny.

anything under 12 seconds is quick ... runing under 11 timed is lighting and puts you basically in the fastest in rugby.. Beale was quick.

My mate also recokens as a coach he can take 2 seconds off everyones time whos over 12 - 13 seconds. but you train to sprint first 5 - 10 - 20 - 40 metres after that it dont matter...

Funnest thing Ive ever heard was ... oh you run 100 in 10.5 seconds how quick do you run the 5km

Robbie.. Mate I run a 5 in as long as it takes me to walk to the car and drive it... screw running 5 lol

 

[tranquility]

Sprinting times comes up a bit.

Electric timing adds around .4 of a second to times.

A good winning time in year 12 is around (10.9 - 11 flat) electric, which would be around 10.5 hand time.

 

[Ruggo]

From a biomechanics perspective, what effect does holding the footy have on a blokes speed? I always thought balance was a big factor in sprinting and just curious what effect holding the footy has on this.

 

[Swat]

Who really cares? We all know Beale is quick enough when he's not packing extra kilos. I'm mostly concerned with how his mental health is going.

 

[Crazy Grey]

Beale is definitely quick. Question marks are over his defence and ability under the high ball. I also can't see him dislodging Foley based on his performances last year. As for IC I thought Foley didn't do as well in matches where he didn't have Horne as a hard running IC. When Barnes came on as IC, Foley's impact was lessened.

Wing may be an option to start but Beale isn't really an out and out finisher that Cheika likes so as I see it the bench is the only place to start him until we see him in trial games.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Tahs backline looks to be an awesome weapon. Izzy, KB (Kurtley Beale), Foley, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Horne, ++. Wish the Reds had the same problem..... Only real way to stop Folau is to be on him before he hits top sped and an open field

 

[Sully]

Tahs backline looks to be an awesome weapon. Izzy, KB (Kurtley Beale), Foley, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Horne, ++. Wish the Reds had the same problem... Only real way to stop Folau is to be on him before he hits top sped and an open field

But where will they play him? /sarc

 

[RoffsChoice]

But where will they play him? /sarc

Only backline position I haven't heard is Scrum Half. Expect the unexpected. Phipps was simply a distraction.

 

[USARugger]

Phipps + 2 Ls + 1 I - 1 P = Phillips = Mike Phillips = Big Scrum Half = ISRAEL FOLAU CONFIRMED AS SCRUMHALF FOR NSW WARATAHS YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST