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Chilla Wilson (44)
What advantages that he perceives he has over Pocock?
Waratahs 2013
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What advantages that he perceives he has over Pocock?
Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
I to would like to have seen him have some match time, is it because the coach our excellent coached of recent years have chased a bit of leadership / maturity or something in that mould he didnt bring at less than 22 years old?.
Do the Tahs drop him? Then he develops under improved coaching (we've lacked).
Let him develop given he is only 22, and give him some time off the bench.
With Mitch Chapman joining the squad, experience has been chased again which is a good thing.
I'd like to see GP retained and developed.
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Andrew Slack (58)
Toughest opponent? (other than Richie MacCaw
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I think 2013 has to be make or break for Peterson at the Waratahs. He's been on a contract for long enough now that he should be ready to play Super Rugby. If he doesn't do well this year I would think that there is no way the Waratahs can offer him a contract for 2014 and onwards.
Even if he does become a good player in a few years time for another team, you simply can't have players holding full contracts who aren't ready to play.
His situation can't be looked at in isolation. Holding on to him in the hope that he develops for us and not someone else isn't a sound decision because having him contracted means we're missing out on another player.
Peterson appears to have big kid syndrome, he was was a massive unit in schoolboys and that "hid" a multitude of sins/mediocrity.
In seniors being massive only highlights your effort around the field.
And that is his challenge, his effort at club is adequate for a club player, he gets around the field OK, is solid at lineout etc etc.
But ..... he is a giant, who doesn't dominate lineouts, doesn't shift breakdowns or break the line.
In seniors being massive only highlights your effort around the field.
And that is his challenge, his effort at club is adequate for a club player, he gets around the field OK, is solid at lineout etc etc.
But ..... he is a giant, who doesn't dominate lineouts, doesn't shift breakdowns or break the line.
Is shitting rucks and mauls like shitting bricks?
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Alan Cameron (40)
not being smart arsey (for a change) what about asking him on his opinion on the tahs captaincy? A few posters here think he would be a good natural leader, would he accept the captaincy if offered or would he want to focus more on developing his game without added pressure?
Ask him if his diet has changed much since moving back home rather than living with Nic White and Dan Palmer.
Even if the diet hasn't changed much, is he enjoying the cooking more at home?
Even if the diet hasn't changed much, is he enjoying the cooking more at home?
Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
Braveheart, hearing you and not disagreeing - has he been given a game/s? how do we know how he'll perform at that level.
I'd like to see Tim Lane's selection should Manly ever have a full roster at the back end of the season (Neville / Jones / Petersen / Hooper / Ale / Palu).
Peterson is yet to play a minute of Super Rugby as far as I know.
It was quite telling that Richard Stanford was drafted in to play whilst not a member of the squad rather than play Peterson.
I have seen very little of Peterson's football so I can't really comment too much on him. The fact that he is fairly anonymous at Shute Shield level is a bit worrying though.
In hindsight, maybe Luke Jones could have been a Waratah all along if we hadn't had Peterson on the books.
It was quite telling that Richard Stanford was drafted in to play whilst not a member of the squad rather than play Peterson.
I have seen very little of Peterson's football so I can't really comment too much on him. The fact that he is fairly anonymous at Shute Shield level is a bit worrying though.
In hindsight, maybe Luke Jones could have been a Waratah all along if we hadn't had Peterson on the books.
somewhat, for me, only when playing Kiwi teams
To be honest I think that Peter Samu who is in the EPS offers more then lopeti. I'm tipping big things for him over next couple of years.
It is what it is
John Solomon (38)
Thanks for the offer Lee.
- Does he vary his approach or style of game whether he starts a game or comes off the bench?
- In the event that Robbie doesn't play Pocock and Hooper together >Which would he prefer - playing some minutes of most test matches OR playing most minutes of some test matches?
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
It's hard to judge these lads at a young age Braveheart, isn't it? And let's not forget the young Greg was on the books for a couple of years only as an EPS player (or rather, that's how we would categorise these lads now.)
We see young fellows rise up unexpectedly - with little or no schoolboy pedigree - and others who we think will do well as senior players aren't able to take their chance. It was always so and always will be.
It's easier to judge backs, but the props and future senior locks are the hardest to judge for the future when they are school. I mean real locks, not boys who will play either lock (at club level), 6 or 8 as seniors, or all of the above, because they won't be big enough to be specialist 2nd rowers.
As for Luke Jones - his big engine was always going to be a constant as a senior player and his technical work in the lineout was definitely OK; but you couldn't blame the Tahs for not holding onto him in the city when he was offered a full contract for the year after leaving school, by the Force. Luke looked like a future Dean Mumm type of player to me when he was at school.
Steve Mafi was another one who slipped through their fingers; but when the Tahs overlooked him he wasn't the player he was to become for the Leicester Tigers. It was sad to see him hobbled in the snow last weekend in the Heineken Cup when he did his hamstring some damage as I always watch the ex-Aussie lads when I can.
Watching schools rugby for its own sake is a valid exercise but trying to spot future up and comers is a sub-occupation that never ceases to interest me. The more I realise what I have to look for, the harder it becomes.
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Lee Grant - I agree with you that it is difficult to predict how good a player is likely to become when they are a schoolboy, particularly when they play in the tight 5.
My point was more related to the fact that with a limited squad size, whenever you sign one player it is at the expense of signing another player. Realistically you can't hang onto people for too long in the hope that they will mature into the player you hoped from your initial identification because every year you have someone contracted that isn't providing value to your squad, you're missing out on another player who might provide value in the short term and much more in the long term.
My point was more related to the fact that with a limited squad size, whenever you sign one player it is at the expense of signing another player. Realistically you can't hang onto people for too long in the hope that they will mature into the player you hoped from your initial identification because every year you have someone contracted that isn't providing value to your squad, you're missing out on another player who might provide value in the short term and much more in the long term.
Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
BH & LG - ah the difficulties, and the what to do's;
Off but related topic, reduce the squad to 25 players, save dollars on the 10 players not contracted, invest that savings into a 3rd Tier, the right model 3T though. I believe 25 would cover run on 15, the bench, and match day back ups.
So these players should / could be running around in the Shute Shield - enhancing, developing and marketing could evolve into a 3T.
It is when we start losing these players off shore that weakens Australian Rugby, so is it the model, and investment process that needs to be looked at.
Really like this idea but does it run the risk of those 10 players who would have been contracted leaving for overseas?
Dave Beat - The past season or two have shown that 35 players isn't enough to cover the 22 match day spots over the course of the season.
Most of the Super Rugby squads (at least in Australia) have had to resort to uncontracted players at some point of the season.
A third tier competition is unlikely to keep many players in Australia who would otherwise go overseas. The money on offer will be chalk and cheese. If people want to be professional rugby players, a third tier competition in Australia wouldn't provide that level of income. It is my understanding that most ITM Cup players who aren't Super Rugby players have regular jobs to maintain a reasonable level of income.
Most of the Super Rugby squads (at least in Australia) have had to resort to uncontracted players at some point of the season.
A third tier competition is unlikely to keep many players in Australia who would otherwise go overseas. The money on offer will be chalk and cheese. If people want to be professional rugby players, a third tier competition in Australia wouldn't provide that level of income. It is my understanding that most ITM Cup players who aren't Super Rugby players have regular jobs to maintain a reasonable level of income.
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