Wallaby Squad Predictions 2010!
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Bob Davidson (42)
Geez some of you guys are wayy too observant when you watch rugby. I'll forgive FP though because he is a Waratah's fanboy.
More importantly, does Burgess play this style of game for the Wallabies? My main criticism about him as a Wallaby is that he has been a bad decision maker and easily disrupted in and around rucks by the opposition pests. I think his often criticized passing game is less of an issue than these.
More importantly, does Burgess play this style of game for the Wallabies? My main criticism about him as a Wallaby is that he has been a bad decision maker and easily disrupted in and around rucks by the opposition pests. I think his often criticized passing game is less of an issue than these.
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I'm surprised noone has mentioned Burgess and his very ordinary kicking game. His box kicks go out on the full or to far to make a difference and his long kicking game lacks control and length.
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Trevor Allan (34)
i tend to agree that burgo's drifting can be effective in the right setting. against a tentative defense his movement causes the D line to shift and possibly re-evaluate who is marking whom, which can open gaps for either burgo or a runner. as mentioned, against an aggressive D line this goes to shit in a hurry. and that's why it shouldn't be over used, especially if the tactics change.
not sold on his box kicks. sorry biffo.
not sold on his box kicks. sorry biffo.
Burgess burst onto the scene with the quick-ball all-round running game a couple of seasons ago for the Tahs. It set a new standard for what we expected from a 9 since the early 2000's. He came from club rugby to do it and became the shoo-in Wallaby half, so different was what he offered.
Genia had a more consistent (not necessarily more accurate) pass, and had some of the elements of Burgess' running game.
Burgess got injured. Genia had a run. To his credit Genia's game came on leaps and bounds and I would agree he now has a better passing and kicking game than Burgo, and that his running game is on a par. He is deservedly the Wallaby incumbent 9 and much of his play this season has been freakishly good.
This does not make Burgess a shit 9, and it certainly doesn't make him not the backup Wallaby 9. He plays a "spinal" position in the team at the top of the Super 14 log. His stats aren't a mistake.
Genia looked very average against the Sharks because his forwards were very average. He is not invincible, nor an island.
I think we need perspective.
Genia had a more consistent (not necessarily more accurate) pass, and had some of the elements of Burgess' running game.
Burgess got injured. Genia had a run. To his credit Genia's game came on leaps and bounds and I would agree he now has a better passing and kicking game than Burgo, and that his running game is on a par. He is deservedly the Wallaby incumbent 9 and much of his play this season has been freakishly good.
This does not make Burgess a shit 9, and it certainly doesn't make him not the backup Wallaby 9. He plays a "spinal" position in the team at the top of the Super 14 log. His stats aren't a mistake.
Genia looked very average against the Sharks because his forwards were very average. He is not invincible, nor an island.
I think we need perspective.
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David Codey (61)
I don't recall ever seeing fans get so defensive of a player as some of the Tahs fans do about Burgess. Either the attacks on him are overstated, or you lot are being overly defensive for provincial reasons.
When a player is universally praised by all Australian fans, and also overseas fans, then you know he is a truly good, possibly future great player. Genia receives this praise from all around the world. Burgess doesn't - the jury is still out on whether he can become a good international player (at this stage I would have to suggest there is very little chance he will ever be considered a 'great' international player).
For me there is one major difference between these two scrumhalves. Decision making. At times Burgess looks like a chicken with his head cut off. Genia almost always looks calm and considered.
In saying all of that I still see Burgess as Australia's No. 2 half.
When a player is universally praised by all Australian fans, and also overseas fans, then you know he is a truly good, possibly future great player. Genia receives this praise from all around the world. Burgess doesn't - the jury is still out on whether he can become a good international player (at this stage I would have to suggest there is very little chance he will ever be considered a 'great' international player).
For me there is one major difference between these two scrumhalves. Decision making. At times Burgess looks like a chicken with his head cut off. Genia almost always looks calm and considered.
In saying all of that I still see Burgess as Australia's No. 2 half.
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Biffo said:
Biff, I completely disgree with you. His kicking is horrible. :thumb
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Gagger said:
I thought Burgo was dropped for the Brissy test? :nta:
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Scotty said:
Yes, one is world class, the other not.
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Biffo said:
Actually I'd take Kingi or Holmes for development reasons. Do you think Burgess is world class then?
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Michael Lynagh (62)
Regarding the tactic of picking up the ball and running a bit with it to find a shot forward runner, you'd think the defensive coaches would have the post (assuming pillar -> post at the side of the ruck) set up to hit the halfback (or at least put huge pressure on him). That should greatly reduce the quality of the ball.
Regarding Burgess' kicking, it was awful two seasons ago. Deans took him aside and apparently had a lot of one-on-one sessions to improve it. As a result I think that Burgess' kicking is now passable, but not great.
Regarding Burgess' kicking, it was awful two seasons ago. Deans took him aside and apparently had a lot of one-on-one sessions to improve it. As a result I think that Burgess' kicking is now passable, but not great.
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Greg Davis (50)
if burgess played for qld he would be amoungst the greatest players on earth, honestly, this year, ive never seen more ordinary performances trumpeted on about than those of half the qld players, there playing well as a team sure but there is only three or four people carrying them, the rest are average players that tom carter would show up.
Burgo is world class, so is genia, genia being behind a dominate aussie pack has helped him in bucketloads during international season last year, when he has a full tri nations under his belt then you can start calling him the saviour if we actually win something (and please no one say, brisbane this or that, it was one match against a sub standard team that didnt want to be there)
Burgo is world class, so is genia, genia being behind a dominate aussie pack has helped him in bucketloads during international season last year, when he has a full tri nations under his belt then you can start calling him the saviour if we actually win something (and please no one say, brisbane this or that, it was one match against a sub standard team that didnt want to be there)
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its not purely just QLD fans, you only have to look at the Super14 team of the weeks published by all the other sites around the place, Genia has rated in 'team of the week' numerous times yet i dont belive i have seen Burgess's name published yet..waratahjesus said:
Ever think that maybe its you NSW fans that overly glorify your own players rather then the queenslanders.
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