Wallaby Coaching Staff

[dru]

Apologies, double post.

 

[BarneySF]

I would have preferred Larkham to focus on the Brumbies. I think this might be a bad outcome for both teams. As a developing coach he needs to get the Brumbies running smoothly.


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Plus MC kinda proved it (the part time dual-role) doesn't really work.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Suppose the real issue is Larkham's ability to coach at the highest level whether in a full time or part time capacity.

Would he be able to turn around the woeful backs attacking performances if he was full time at the Wallabies?

IMHO the answer is NO

 

[dru]

Suppose the real issue is Larkham's ability to coach at the highest level whether in a full time or part time capacity.

Would he be able to turn around the woeful backs attacking performances if he was full time at the Wallabies?

IMHO the answer is NO

IMHO No, not right now. Give him time for development and reconsider in two or three years.

 

[Scrubber2050]

IMHO No, not right now. Give him time for development and reconsider in two or three years.

Agree - Larkham needs to consolidate his position as a Super 15 Coach. And become a very good one.

Next year may be a challenge for him at Brumbies level

Time will tell, as it always does.

 

[mst]

That article is a little confusing, is it suggesting that Larkham will still be a Wallabies assistant coach in 2017? If so, surely thats an error, Australia can't afford to continue this practice of part time coaches.

There are a lot of practises they cant afford to continue but do!

 

[mst]

That has me perplexed to. I'm guessing that Larkham's 12 month tenure is based on an expectation that a decission must be made between the two.

I'm completely with Jets, the best thing Bernie can do for Australian rugby is to focus full time pn the Brumbies and get them thumping some Kiwis. Even Link took a part in his career where he said "no, its too early". Time for Bernie to man up.

And if he doesnt, its time for Cheika to make the call. Not mid RC, but a plan must be in place.

Aussie fans are actually being quite resilient with Cheika. For now. But if he persists with assistants who are not combining with himself to create winning Wobblies, this may well change.

EDIT: I suspect that the article means that Bernie's contract with the Brumbies allows for an on going role part time at the WBs. I'd also guess this is part of the reason it took so long to announce, and why only 12 months extension.

Hopefully, if there is truth in the term "HPU ", someone is sitting Cheika down and asking the tough questions.

As i said in the Brumbies thread:
Is he hedging his bets? It may depend on what happens with the Wallabies. If they start winning he would be a good backs coach, of they continue losing he can exit, or while the Wallabies dire performances continue, if he gets the Brumbies humming: a replacement HC?

If you look in the ARU dictionary you will discover that the word we all know as MERIT is spelt like this: MATE.

The acronym "HPU" in the context of coaching according to the ARU dictionary translates to "have played union" which is on the list of desired qualifications.

 

[Gnostic]

As i said in the Brumbies thread:

Is he hedging his bets? It may depend on what happens with the Wallabies. If they start winning he would be a good backs coach, of they continue losing he can exit, or while the Wallabies dire performances continue, if he gets the Brumbies humming: a replacement HC?



If you look in the ARU dictionary you will discover that the word we all know as MERIT is spelt like this: MATE.



The acronym "HPU" in the context of coaching according to the ARU dictionary translates to "have played union" which is on the list of desired qualifications.

I agree with everything except the bit in bold. On what evidence at either the Brumbies or the Wallabies can we say that? Phil Mooney had a losing Reds sides playing with far better backline attack with less Wallabies and Super experience than he has shown at the Brumbies, and it is impossible to say anything positive about the Wallabies attack this year, and last year you can seriously question his input into the mode of play so I find it hard to credit the couple of very good attacking games at the RWC to him.

 

[mst]

I agree with everything except the bit in bold. On what evidence at either the Brumbies or the Wallabies can we say that? Phil Mooney had a losing Reds sides playing with far better backline attack with less Wallabies and Super experience than he has shown at the Brumbies, and it is impossible to say anything positive about the Wallabies attack this year, and last year you can seriously question his input into the mode of play so I find it hard to credit the couple of very good attacking games at the RWC to him.

Stop talking all logical and wanting evidence! This is all about the usual baseless fickle emotional responses and going with the crowd!

Wins fix everything apparently and validate qualifications! (until the next loss then it resets the count - rinse and repeat)

When did the ARU ever hire a experienced and well credentialed international coach?

 

[dru]

Bernie hasnt had a lot of consistency in the backs. Everything is back to square one before each game, little chance to build. Damn few existing combinations. Players out of position. The Frenchies floating in and out on a whim (think I might do Bledisloe this year, then back to my croisant).

Whatever the cause of this, and Bernie shares blame, it hasnt been an easy gig.

IMO the backs themselves are secondary anyway, my biggest worry is in attack, the forward positioning and set up. The system was not too bad a couple of seasons ago, even at international level, but pretty poor even at Super Rugby this year. The Kiwis have certainly changed in a way that has this system stuffed. And the POMs did it better than us.

strategy needs to shift, and we'll need some time for the change along with relatively settled combos in key areas.

There is nothing wrong with Larkham in Super Rugby where he has control of selection, maintenance of combinations, and plenty of time through a season to work on it. He's still currently the best Head Coach in Super Rugby in Australia!!

Horses for courses. Sorry Bernie, WBs arent for you right now. Get back to the day job and sharpen the Brumbies.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Your point re the chopping and changing of the backline this year is well made, but unfortunately even at the Brumbies, Larkham hasn't given us the attacking structures and game plan we'd all like to see. Maybe something will change in 2017 after seeing the lessons the NZ sides all handed out this year, but I'd still rather see him just concentrate on the Brumbies for a year or two and leave the Wallabies for someone else, preferably on a full time basis for now.

 

[upthereds#!]

There is a lot wrong with Larkham as Head Coach of the Brumbies. For a ridiculously laden wallaby backline with him as a specialty attack coach, their attack was well below what should be expected.

And saying he is the best Super Rugby Coach in AUS? based on what? results? He inherited a near champion team, and theyve gone backwards, which to me is a far stronger indicator then their standing inthe Aus conference. I'd much rather someone who inherited a shit team and moved forwards. At this stage I think Rebels is the closest option to that but 2017 will tell who can actually coach, especially when Larkham loses a heap of players, but teams like Rebels, Force and Reds are improving their squads.

 

[USARugger]

I'm pretty certain it was a tongue in cheek remark.

 

[upthereds#!]

phew

 

[Highlander35]

If Chieka goes, (extreme hypothetical, 0 or 1 wins from 6 in the RC, 0 from 3 in the Bledisloe and 0-3 from 5 on the EOYT) Cotter would be a good choice for you guys IMO.

We're getting rid of him, yes, but that's much more about moving Toonie into the role rather than moving Cotter out of it, if you get my drift. He's done quite well with us, and we do have lot of the same strengths and weaknesses IMO, albeit yours are from players of greater ability outside those weaknesses.

 

[The torpedo]

If Chieka goes, (extreme hypothetical, 0 or 1 wins from 6 in the RC, 0 from 3 in the Bledisloe and 0-3 from 5 on the EOYT) Cotter would be a good choice for you guys IMO.

We're getting rid of him, yes, but that's much more about moving Toonie into the role rather than moving Cotter out of it, if you get my drift. He's done quite well with us, and we do have lot of the same strengths and weaknesses IMO, albeit yours are from players of greater ability outside those weaknesses.

Can we take Matt Taylor as well please?

 

[Highlander35]

Can we take Matt Taylor as well please?

Heck no. Taylor is Toonie's man, not Verns.

 

[emuarse]

Whoever's coaching the NSW Country side in the NRC has got to be a contender for higher honours, the way his team has blitzed both Brisbane City and Canberra Vikings.
That's coaching.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Well, another drubbng and I hate losing.

Chek obviously under pressure and the "clown" incident pushed him closer to the edge.

Selections still an issue as must be other more subtle things.

Whichever way you look at it the AB game was a 6 try to 1, 27 point flogging.

Attack, defence and scrum just not good enough -

It's a wonder to me that the rugby journos aren't calling for heads to roll.

 

[cyclopath]

Well, another drubbng and I hate losing.

Chek obviously under pressure and the "clown" incident pushed him closer to the edge.

Selections still an issue as must be other more subtle things.

Whichever way you look at it the AB game was a 6 try to 1, 27 point flogging.

Attack, defence and scrum just not good enough -

It's a wonder to me that the rugby journos aren't calling for heads to roll.

I thought the scrum was pretty good actually. For the most part.
Defence has some holes - I thought the general structure was good mostly (better than previously) but some critical lapses with poor / inexperienced decision making by individuals. We had some chances in attack but really didn't finish them off nearly well enough (although we made 2 tries. Veldsman / Owens aside ).
Plenty of work to be done though.