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Jim Lenehan (48)
I'm pretty sure this is the consensus, but I just have to reaffirm that Horwill is the BEST lock in Australia and close to the best in the southern hemisphere. There is no way he won't be lock for the Wallabies.
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Johnnie Wallace (23)
I'm pretty sure the consensus from this thread is that there are only three guaranteed starters: Moore, Horwill and Genia.
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John Thornett (49)
And Folau
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TPN will probably get the nod though. Moore was outstanding last year as well. I would suggest that only Genia, Horwill and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) are nailed on selections. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) has been playing well last few games but more importantly, he's the only 13 with any real test experience.
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So, I say that I think Mogg, Lealiifano, Mowen and Fardy should be in the mix, and suddenly i'm biased and Robbie Coleman is the ONLY player i've failed to mention for a Wallabies spot?
This coming from a guy who's championing someone who's played what, 6 games of professional rugby?
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Arch Winning (36)
As at end Rd 6;
George Smith,,mins 229,tackles 39,offloads 6, runs, 27,run metres 140, linebreaks 1,try assists 0, rucks mauls 23 turnovers 3, missed tackles 3
Sitaleki Timani,, mins 210, tackles 23, offloads1, runs 31, run metres 176, linebreaks 1, try assists 0, rucks mauls 30 turnovers 4, missed tackles 2
Slow, maybe, lazy, no. In fact he has one of the highest workrates in the comp.
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Yeah my post was tongue in cheek. I was making the point that a lot of players have weaknesses and to overlook Mogg on the basis that he may be defensively frail is not consistent with other test selection. Folau's ability to break tackles is quite amazing. He does appear to get turned over a bit when he goes to deck probably from poor ball placement (and lack of support). Very easily fixed. He's not a good kicker and looks a like a charge down magnet. If we put Ioane in the back 3 for Oz, I'm not sure if we could carry another non-kicking back 3 player.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Lets not turn the thread into one big F U fest over a few lines. Bias exists but nobody is trying to call good players crap.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Barbarian is pretty level headed when it comes to some of the rabid provincialism on here.
For what it's worth I'd pick Lilo at 10 or 12 doesn't really matter where, he just needs to be out there.
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Trevor Allan (34)
I reckon you can add AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) to that list at #13 - no-one has stood up to challenge him.
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Trevor Allan (34)
I just had the same conversation with Timmsy on the Podslam - he also said TPN will start.
I can't believe that will happen - it would be a joke given the form Moore is in. But then again, given recent Wallaby selections I might be wrong again.
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I think you are being pretty kind there Baa Baa. How long has it been since Palu has strung together a decent season of games? Had a few good Super games last year, a few good Test games, missed a lot. He's had a few seasons like that then a couple of decent End of Year Tours. Kefu is class. Palu, whilst a good player, you would struggle to get a lot of people to agree he has lived up to his own potential... Especially in Gold.
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It would be a joke for TPN to get the #16. He's been below his best since about 2010/2011.
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Arch Winning (36)
Continuing my trend of bucking the G&GR common view, I actually like Foley, a lot. Gets the job done no fuss with relatively few errors, surprisingly slippery, and easy to underestimate. Crazy playstyle for a first five I know.
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His work rate is about been normal this season compared to most players except for the Force game where he his tackle count was v good. He hasn't played many minutes. Why is that? Injury?
Where did you get these stats from btw? Smith get about 3 turnovers a much so those figures are way off. There's no way Timani has forced more turnovers than Smith. Smith had 46 tackles after 227 mins (3 games).
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Arch Winning (36)
Paradox www.rugbystats.com.au. And I agree turnovers seem light for Smith. (edit: But I think you will find thats turnovers conceded not won)
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Yeah that site is a bit hit and miss but then again they all are.
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oh and a further clarification that data was to rnd 6 so force game wasn't included, Timani made 12 tackles, but only 2 runs and 3 rucks mauls over 57 mins in tha game, if anything I'd say that was quiet for him.
My point re Timani is a bit like my point for Foley, it is easy to underestimate players impact when they aren't being flashy, its a pet thing of mine, I believe successful teams have hard workers who achieve. Timani is weird because he just seems to pace himself, never looks like hes rushing, yet he is usually there to be counted.
It's a bit of a segue, but I remember being astonished the first time I saw Steve McDowell live. Always thought he was a clean player till then, but some of the upper cuts I saw once the camera was elsewhere... Maybe it was a bad day but I think the point is fair, we often miss the work done off the ball or in D.
My point re Timani is a bit like my point for Foley, it is easy to underestimate players impact when they aren't being flashy, its a pet thing of mine, I believe successful teams have hard workers who achieve. Timani is weird because he just seems to pace himself, never looks like hes rushing, yet he is usually there to be counted.
It's a bit of a segue, but I remember being astonished the first time I saw Steve McDowell live. Always thought he was a clean player till then, but some of the upper cuts I saw once the camera was elsewhere... Maybe it was a bad day but I think the point is fair, we often miss the work done off the ball or in D.
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