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Scrubber2050

Mark Ella (57)
I think a week or two ago Cooper was an outsider as was Folau.

Both blokes are making a very very serious run for the Wallabies and it will be difficult for Deans to ignore both.

IMO Taps is on the outer based on form and the form Aussie player who should be a starter - Moggy - will be unfortunately be in the stands
 

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
Mogg's been unfortunate that his games in the last two weeks weren't up to his earlier standard.

Cooper and Lealiifano missing out would be a tragedy / travesty / pick your term, but I agree that both are likely to miss out.

What will be really interesting is that if JOC (James O'Connor) is out for 2 weeks then he won't play again before the Lions (after a couple of weaker games), and Cooper has another couple of strong games in the next two weeks, then Deans will really have trouble backing up his non-selection of Cooper. The worst thing for Deans would then be if Cooper has a strong game vs the BILs for the Reds.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Beale has gone into a private health facility, he surely won't be there for the 1st Test. Folau will be the fullback.
 

Scott Allen

Trevor Allan (34)
Beale has gone into a private health facility, he surely won't be there for the 1st Test. Folau will be the fullback.

I reckon you're right on with that prediction.

Barnes to #10 and JOC (James O'Connor) to the wing that Folau probably would have been on?
 

Scrubber2050

Mark Ella (57)
wonder how long his stay will be ? Suppose it depends on so-called success of the program.
Trouble is success will only be measured by time !
 

hammertimethere

Trevor Allan (34)
1. Fat Cat
2. Moore
3. Slipper
4. Timani or Douglas (choose your poison)
5. Horwill
6. Higgers
7. Smith
8. Palu

9. Genia 10. Cooper
12. Lilo 13. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)

11. Digby 15. Beale 14. Folau

16. TPN 17. Alexander 18. Ryan or Kepu 19. Mowen or MMM 20. Hooper or Gill 21. White 22. JOC (James O'Connor) 23. Mogg

here's my reasoning
Front rowers: The starting front 3 select themselves, Alexander has been good and the other prop...well I'm just unconvinced that Palmer offers that much more at scrum time (if anything based on recent weeks i.e Reds strong against Chiefs and Sharks most notably, on par with Brums. Tahs strong against the 3 saffa packs in a row) to make up for the clear and obvious advantage of the other two around the field. My gut says Ryan

2nd rowers: Timani or Douglas, Both have good claims, with douglas perhaps a slightly better lineout technician (maybe) and Timani a slightly more domiant tackler and a workrate that has jumped (now at least on par with all other contenders). Don't buy into requiring an established lineout caller here, Horwill can and has done it before and there are backrow options who are highly skilled at it.

Back row: Higgers will start, as should Smith (both in imperious form and with runs on the board). I chose Palu to be the other starter as his gain line presence (in D and with the pill) will likely be very important in the early stages (particularly of the 1st test). I almost started Mowen/MMM at 6, Higgers 8 so impressive have they been (plus I don't believe for a second either would be overawed and not handle it) but priors won out. I also know for a fact that Higgers is a potential lineout caller and probably one of the best defensive jumpers in the world (at least according to Sharpey). But really, there's nothing in it, and the 6/8 combo could be any of those 4 and I would be satisfied. Dennis probably deserves to be in front of MMM due to the latter's injury but fuck it its my team and MMM's nickname is Madness. Dennis will probably feature somewhere in the series.

9. Easy as
10. Similarly so, no question in my mind on recent indications. Lilo, JOC (James O'Connor) and Beale all capable of playing back up.

12/13: Lilo has been in imperious form, ticks all the boxes (except for test experience) and I don't by the fact that we should select the centres based on them being able to tackle tuilagi and Roberts. Let's make those fuckers from up north worry about how they are going to cope with our guile and ability to shift the point of attack at any time in phase play and kick from either side of the scrum. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is remarkable, my long standing man crush grows stronger by the week.

Back 3: My most contentious selections. At the end of the day guys, beale slipped up and yes he's an idiot but after a long break he was outrageously good against the chiefs. If he can play, he should pay 15. Mogg and Folau duke it out for the other spot, with folau getting the nod due to nothing more than experience in big atmospheres (albeit in another code). If you're worried about having more fire power off the boot in the back 3 go with Mogg, no worries. Regardless the other goes on the bench
 

hammertimethere

Trevor Allan (34)
Edit, I would probably go with Douglas to partner Horwill if you take Mowen as a loosie, as both locks will be required to play 80 mins (risky). If you take MMM or Dennis on the bench (though I don't really like the idea of Dennis as a lock against the BIL's) you could go with Timani.
 

hammertimethere

Trevor Allan (34)
Also, if beale doesn't shape up (which causes me to lose a reasonably sized bet with my dad, I'm still optimistic :confused:), you change the configuration of the Back 3 to have JOC (James O'Connor) as a starter probably and a centre onto the bench (Horne at this stage, though I hope taps makes a play in the next few games). I would prefer this rather than start both Mogg and Folau (still think one of them should be playing 14 or as I'm now coining it...2nd full)
 

Tex

Greg Davis (50)
It's too risky to start Mogg IMO. Without Beale we need a kicker in the back three and if Ioane and Folau are on the wings it leaves O'Connor, Ashley-Cooper and Barnes.

Ashley-Cooper will hopefully keep his spot at 13, O'Connor is a serviceable kick but lacks penetrating distance, Barnes is pretty solid and a calm head.

Barnes or O'Connor?
 
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TOCC

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I really hope Folau doesn't start as fullback, you can't have a non-kicking fullback against a European team
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Beale to take indefinite break from rugby
Date
May 13, 2013 - 6:52PM

Wallabies playmaker Kurtley Beale will stand down from rugby indefinitely as he seeks assistance with alcohol-related issues.
After meeting the Melbourne Rebels and the Rugby Union Players’ Association on Monday, the Australian Rugby Union (ARU) issued a statement, saying Beale had voluntarily entered a private health facility to undertake counselling.
Beale had initially denied he had a drinking problem when suspended by the Rebels for striking teammates Cooper Vuna and Gareth Delve in South Africa on March 23. But he was subsequently stood down for last weekend’s 36-32 loss to the Blues in Auckland for breaking the terms of his rehab agreement by drinking the night after his eye-catching return against the Chiefs.
The ARU said any future selection of Beale at a club or national level would be dependent on successful completion of his treatment program.
Beale’s standing down looks to have scuppered any chance the 24-year-old has of taking part in the British and Irish Lions series starting next month.
Earlier, Beale’s former long-time mentor Glen Ella said it was time the gifted backline star actually admitted he had a problem with alcohol and that he should scratch any thoughts of playing against the Lions.
Ella, who managed the schoolboy star from the age of 13 to 19, said he felt the ARU needed to follow NRL club Canterbury’s hard-line stance with another indigenous football star, Ben Barba.
‘‘I’d love to see him playing against the Lions but, in all honesty, I think that’s (not playing) going to be part of his rehabilitation,’’ said former Wallabies back Ella.
"I think he needs to sit this one out."
‘‘My advice to Kurtley - and I love him dearly, he’s been a small part of my life - is that he just has to keep away from it and focus on re-establishing his career.
‘‘He needs to come out and say ’every time I do drink, there is an issue’.
‘‘He’s been blessed with the talent and part of that comes (with) responsibility to be a role model - not just for Aboriginal kids but young kids all over Australia.’’
Ella first began mentoring Beale when he started at St Joseph’s College in Sydney and played a major hand in his rise to play for the NSW Waratahs at 18.
He felt rugby would play an important role in Beale’s rehabilitation but he needed to return to Sydney to be close to his support network.
 

youngone

Allen Oxlade (6)
Cooper needs to do something special to convince Deans that he can perform the game plan chosen for the series.

He is capable of it, but hasn't ever been given the time to solidly play it (Reds don't employ it more than 2 games a season, he gets the flick from the Wallabies before he gets it downpat).

O'Connor and Barnes have too similar a skill set (bar JOC (James O'Connor)'s 1-on-1 advantage) so I only see room for 3 of the 4 (QC (Quade Cooper)/BB/JOC (James O'Connor)/LiLo) in the 23 man squad. Nobody has put their hand up to replace AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and Digby will be starting while fit. Mogg would do a good job, but Folau will win games that wouldn't otherwise be won ala Beale.

Why is Quirky never in the mix? He has the abrasiveness that Dingo is always chasing...
 
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TOCC

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If Deans want him to kick he'll kick, he has a big boot.

Digby Ioane has a big boot when needed as well... It's the ability to employ the kick effectively under pressure which I hold doubts over...

He hasn't been practicing in match conditions, the lions will target him, he won't get away trying to run it out of the ingoal like he did in the stormers match.
 

Try-ranosaurus Rex

Darby Loudon (17)
It's bitter sweet seeing Kurtley administer himself into a health clinic.

It's definitely the right thing to do personally and professionally for Kurtley. Disappointing we won't see him in action against the BI Lions, but both Kurtley and the Wallabies are best served with him away from the National Team for the immediate term.

Good luck Kurtley and hopefully we see you back in rugby soon.
 

jamey jones

Frank Nicholson (4)
This is my oppinion on what should be the Aus team for test 1

1. Ben Alexander
2. Stephan Moore
3.Sekope Kepu
4. Siteleki Timani
5. James Horwill
6. George Smith
7. Liam Gill
8. Fotu Auelea/ Ben Mowen
9. Will Genia
10. Quade Cooper
11. Digby Loane
12.Christian Leliafano
13. Adam Ashley Cooper
14. James O' Connor
15. Israel Folau

16. Tatafu Polota Nau
17. Paddy Ryan
18. Hugh Pyle
19.Radike Samo
20. Berrick Barnes
21. Joe Tomane
22. Kyle Goodwin
 
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