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John Thornett (49)
I'd rather try something new than trying to get the same scratched record to play the fucking song for the 20th time.
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I'd rather try something new than trying to get the same scratched record to play the fucking song for the 20th time.
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
McCabe is a is a very good winger. He has the core skills of a winger. He is just a very good front on defender, hence he performs a role for Deans. I would suggest that he doesn't get a start for the Brumbies simply because the specialist wingers that they have a not very good, they are excellent and complimentary in their skill sets with Mogg at 15. With JOC (James O'Connor) starting at 10 which seems to be what everyone expects Deans will do we are again looking at a play what is in front of you game plan with the tries coming from individual excellence rather than team construction. To do that a distributor, or even traditional 12 like Lilifano is needed or indeed desirable at 12.
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John Thornett (49)
I think his lack of starts might have to do with him dismantling the Brumbies attack during his only start.
Dingo can take his game plans and shove them somewhere dark and moist. I'm too drunk to even think about him right now without fuming. I would be much happier fucking losing to the Lions trying a somewhat rational game plan using players that are in form and are actually playing in the positions that they are selected for than winning playing this ugly dog-shit 10 man game plan Deans seems to convinced will work for the Wallabies.
Dingo can take his game plans and shove them somewhere dark and moist. I'm too drunk to even think about him right now without fuming. I would be much happier fucking losing to the Lions trying a somewhat rational game plan using players that are in form and are actually playing in the positions that they are selected for than winning playing this ugly dog-shit 10 man game plan Deans seems to convinced will work for the Wallabies.
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Rocky Elsom (76)
What is an appropriate debut test country? A soft opponent like Samoa or Scotland?
If the bloke is ready for Test Rugby, then he is ready for Test Rugby, regardless of opponent.
The 2013 B&I Lions are nothing special, it is just the Welsh and a couple of their mates.
I would like to see Lealiifano start at 12 in the first test, and don't think he will let us down.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
I'm not sure what the answer is.
If Lilo had not got injured maybe he would have debuted last year and this would be a dead letter.
Deans can legitimately say that it Lilo is not an option for lack of experience.
However, in the professional era Darwin, Stiles, Cannon and Harrison all debuted against the Lions.
In 1989 - DJ Crowley, DJ Maguire, GJ Martin debuted in the first test but there no other debutants in the series.
I guess there's some history to justify it.
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Mark Ella (57)
People said a Bledisloe Cup test at Eden park was no place for a player, especially a tight five player to debut. Tom Bowman was man of the match from memory.
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Mark Ella (57)
You have had some of the liquid cheer haven't you. I am quite sure that many people cannot deal with truths declared in such a brutally honest fashion.. You did make me smile though.
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I would happily take a debuting Lilo over McCabe
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John Thornett (49)
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Debuting a guy like Lilo in between Genia and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and whichever 10 Deans decides on (Cooper, JOC (James O'Connor) and Kurtley all have extensive test experience) isn't exactly a risky proposition either. He's a player who has been the effective axis of the Brumbies attack for two years and has proven time and time again he is a mentally resilient and collected
player. Sandwich him inside some test veterans and he should be perfectly fine.
Gnostic
Which truth are you referring to? That McCabe is better suited for the back three or that Deans' selections are more schizophrenic than a mental ward?
Debuting a guy like Lilo in between Genia and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and whichever 10 Deans decides on (Cooper, JOC (James O'Connor) and Kurtley all have extensive test experience) isn't exactly a risky proposition either. He's a player who has been the effective axis of the Brumbies attack for two years and has proven time and time again he is a mentally resilient and collected
player. Sandwich him inside some test veterans and he should be perfectly fine.
Gnostic
Which truth are you referring to? That McCabe is better suited for the back three or that Deans' selections are more schizophrenic than a mental ward?
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
I was talking about the truth of your whole post, stated in such eloquent terms.
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
1. Benn Robinson
2. Stephen Moore
3. James Slipper
4. James Horwill
5. Kane Douglas
6. Scott Higginbotham
7. Liam Gill
8. Ben Mowen
9. Will Genia
10. Bernard Foley
11. Digby Ioane
12. Christian Lealiifano
13. Adam Ashley-Cooper
14. Henry Speight
15. Israel Folau
2. Stephen Moore
3. James Slipper
4. James Horwill
5. Kane Douglas
6. Scott Higginbotham
7. Liam Gill
8. Ben Mowen
9. Will Genia
10. Bernard Foley
11. Digby Ioane
12. Christian Lealiifano
13. Adam Ashley-Cooper
14. Henry Speight
15. Israel Folau
A few Brumbies did their Wallaby aspirations some damage today.
Auelua was completely missing. He had very little penetration with his ball running and had little impact elsewhere.
Mogg had an average game. Apart from a couple of good general field kicks, he did little. No counter-attack today and a couple of uncharacteristic errors.
Alexander made too many errors and Palmer didn't do a lot.
Nic White was fairly anonymous although didn't do a lot wrong. Just didn't have a lot of impact.
George Smith was pretty average today. He didn't have the impact he's had in other games and a silly penalty gifted 3 points to the Crusaders. I don't think it's a lay down misere that he's the starting 7 if he's available for the Wallabies.
Moore had a fairly poor game but certainly his position in the Wallaby 23 isn't in jeopardy.
I thought Mowen was the one standout for the Brumbies and Lealiifano had a very solid game. He's still the form 12.
McCabe ran the ball well when he came on and looked threatening. He's offering much the same of what he brought to the table in 2011 and 2012. I definitely prefer Lealiifano though.
Tomane was good and should make the Wallabies squad. I'm not sure he'll figure in the 23 though unless there are some injuries.
Auelua was completely missing. He had very little penetration with his ball running and had little impact elsewhere.
Mogg had an average game. Apart from a couple of good general field kicks, he did little. No counter-attack today and a couple of uncharacteristic errors.
Alexander made too many errors and Palmer didn't do a lot.
Nic White was fairly anonymous although didn't do a lot wrong. Just didn't have a lot of impact.
George Smith was pretty average today. He didn't have the impact he's had in other games and a silly penalty gifted 3 points to the Crusaders. I don't think it's a lay down misere that he's the starting 7 if he's available for the Wallabies.
Moore had a fairly poor game but certainly his position in the Wallaby 23 isn't in jeopardy.
I thought Mowen was the one standout for the Brumbies and Lealiifano had a very solid game. He's still the form 12.
McCabe ran the ball well when he came on and looked threatening. He's offering much the same of what he brought to the table in 2011 and 2012. I definitely prefer Lealiifano though.
Tomane was good and should make the Wallabies squad. I'm not sure he'll figure in the 23 though unless there are some injuries.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Have to disagree on Smith......
He was a standout for the Brumbies..... got through a lot of work, linked well with the backs and made some important tackles/turnovers......
Sio was very impressive when he came on...... he'll be a Wallaby.........
Otherwise, I thought that the Brumbies' forwards let them down for the most part today........ too many spoiled opportunities and silly turnovers.........
He was a standout for the Brumbies..... got through a lot of work, linked well with the backs and made some important tackles/turnovers......
Sio was very impressive when he came on...... he'll be a Wallaby.........
Otherwise, I thought that the Brumbies' forwards let them down for the most part today........ too many spoiled opportunities and silly turnovers.........
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
I posted last week sometime that Sio should be included in the squad, not necessarily to start or even be on the bench, but he is the future and should be exposed to Wallaby training and competition. He proved it again today, in the set piece and in the loose/tight play. In fact I would be happy if he took Alexander's place, he continues IMO to be very suspect in the scrum and could be penalised much more often than he is.
Athilnaur
Arch Winning (36)
A lot of pundits don't. McCabe has been the single most unpopular selection of Deans ever. In 2011 people wanted Gits, 2012 Barnes or Tapuai, 2013 Tapuai or Lealeiifano. It seems even Slim has deserted him this year.
I'd like to know who Pocock prefers. My money is on McCabe, you could see his respect for McCabe in 2011. Pilferers thrive off centres who can tackle ike McCabe does.
But it doesn't matter what I think, Deans will do what he sees he needs. I post because that is how I see it and I don't think many here do, same as JOC (James O'Connor) vs Cooper.
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