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Wallabies v Scotland, Murrayfield, Sun 30th Oct, 3.30am AEDT

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Dctarget

Tim Horan (67)
Ayoooo, we won against a better ranked side at their home with 50,000 scotsmen (first win in four matches). Now got some silverware in the cabinet!

Tate was great, our set piece was great, attack pretty meh. Defence decent.

Bank the win, move on to next week against Les Frogs.
 

Joe King

Dave Cowper (27)
Not a very convincing win, actually. Wallabies bit lucky at the end. But hopefully, it's positive for the team.

Just need to get a few things off the chest.

Backs: you don't look very threatening. Complicated set moves don't work unless the players have played together for a thousand years. Keep it simple.

Forwards: when it's a slow ball at the ruck, one-off forwards waiting an age to receive it and then simply taking a hit-up is a complete waste of time. It never gets over the advantage line. Have another option ready. Learn to draw and pass to your support forward. It's a simple but effective skill all forwards should be able to do. Also, the amount of times a forward tries to run themselves 5-10 metres out from the line with no support is unforgivable. It's going to be a turn over 80% of the time. Don't set yourself up to be isolated. Stick together. Sometimes take the tackle, and sometimes do a short pass to another forward in support. The one try we scored came off a short pass between the the forwards. That's a skill all forwards should be using more often, rather than only ever going to ground. Vary it up.

Whole team: in broken play or turn-over ball, if you've got the ball, draw the defence to yourself and pass. And use soft hands. Don't bullet pass to a teammate 2 metres away. And teammates, support the ball carrier. Run into space to receive a pass. Don't assume you know what the ball carrier is going to do (e.g. thinking they'll obviously go to ground because they always do). Here's the big difference between the Wallabies and the ABs. When a Wallaby makes a break or gets the ball off a turn over, there is very often no one in support. When an AB makes a break, there are usually too many ABs in support to count. AB's score so many tries simply by providing support to the ball carrier, anticipating an offload in broken play and/or turn-over ball.

There are some simple things we can do to help us step-up to the next level. ATM, we're playing about as good as our ranking.
 

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
Well that was a nail biter.

I didn’t mind the interpretation of the McDermott clean out if that’s how it was interpreted all the time. But it’s not and any other day of the week, someone in a gold jersey, even Retallick this time around, twice on Sundays, that’s a red.

Foley didn’t have a great game but at the same time he also won it for us. I’m happy to move on from him if there is a viable alternative, which there isn’t.

Im also looking forward to BR’s entertaining critique of the game which will fail to mention Tom Banks. In this instance there are viable alternatives. If it’s a choice between one of the Brumby Toms at fullback I’m picking Wright. However, Kellaway, Campbell, Hodge and even Donaldson should all be ahead of him at 15.

Ill take the win but I’m not overly confident about the rest of the tour, Italy aside.
Not to disappoint you KOB, but this was not a game for the backs - any of them. Banks was hardly involved but neither was Campbell when he came on. I do agree that there are other options. Kellaway, on this game where he had a less than ordinary outing (probably worst of our backline) is better at fullback than on the wing.

Scotland was understrength as we all know, but so were the Wallabies. It was a win, and a win is a win. I reckon Wales should also present a good opportunity to hopefully go three from five for the tour.
 

Dctarget

Tim Horan (67)
Felt bad for Sione but not a great performance from him, teaches the Scots for poaching our players. Also happy that Dempsey did nothing of note.
 

drewprint

Dick Tooth (41)
Huh? Banks was involved plenty, they just generally weren’t great involvements. I thought he was ok though, minus a couple of clangers. The ball didn’t go Campbell’s way at all in those final 10.
 
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Dan54

David Wilson (68)
Scotland throws into the lineout were repeatedly not straight.

The rucks in the first half were refereed inconsistently between the two teams (and the Tupou call was contrary to almost every Scotland defensive ruck all game)

Head contact like that has been an instant red for several years.

Your post is wrong.
Actually you forgot to add that Porecki stands well inside the lineout when he throws in, but I stick with what I said, he one of my favourite refs, and I think he gets a lot more right than wrong. Not sure about that head contact always being a red for several years, I saw Brodie Retallick get his jaw broked by a head from someone coming in upright in tackle against Ireland, was a only a yellow, the ref was Wayne Barnes.
 

KOB1987

John Eales (66)
Actually you forgot to add that Porecki stands well inside the lineout when he throws in, but I stick with what I said, he one of my favourite refs, and I think he gets a lot more right than wrong. Not sure about that head contact always being a red for several years, I saw Brodie Retallick get his jaw broked by a head from someone coming in upright in tackle against Ireland, was a only a yellow, the ref was Wayne Barnes.
Yes, the adjudication is different when the culprit is a home nation. That’s his point.

I gave up crying about crooked line out throws long ago.
 

KOB1987

John Eales (66)
Not to disappoint you KOB, but this was not a game for the backs - any of them. Banks was hardly involved but neither was Campbell when he came on. I do agree that there are other options. Kellaway, on this game where he had a less than ordinary outing (probably worst of our backline) is better at fullback than on the wing.

Scotland was understrength as we all know, but so were the Wallabies. It was a win, and a win is a win. I reckon Wales should also present a good opportunity to hopefully go three from five for the tour.
I should point out out that I actually like your post match critique, sans the omission of mentions of sub par Brumbies players,
 

stillmissit

Peter Johnson (47)
Next week I'd start Hanigan at 6 and Jed bench in a 7:2. Neville benched for Skelton.

Foley was uninspiring and poor as the 10 but remains due to his goalkicking which is very important up here.

Banks can go back to Japan. Jock to start at 15. Wright didn't do much wrong so maybe he can remain for now. Start Tupou.

Tate to start again if he passes HIA.

The reason our breakdown was so poor is we had no decent carriers outside Rob and Len. Skelton and Tupou on at the same time fixes this and defences should be weaker in the 2nd half.
Qwerty: Agree with all of your post bar the bit about Holloway. I think he was one of our best forwards out there and deserves to hold his spot and to replace him with Hanigan is madness, particularly against the French.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
I’m not dropping Jed because he was poor but I think Hanigan deserves a chance to start, he was busy when be came on and just as good as Jed at stealing lineouts. He’s probably quicker than Jed which is a nice counter to having Skelton in the pack.
 

stillmissit

Peter Johnson (47)
I didn’t think Foley was that bad, not enough to warrant any real criticism.

Wallabies forwards were woeful at protecting the ball in the first half, got better in the second but jeez they were sloppy around the ruck. Made life hard for the halves.
The Scots controlled the breakdown in the first half, as we put 1-2 into the breakdown whilst the Scots new we don't commit and used it against us. It wasn't until Tupoa came on that the breakdown changed. It got better as the game went on. Hooper is not back to his best yet.
 

Wilson

Phil Kearns (64)
I didn’t think Foley was that bad, not enough to warrant any real criticism.

Wallabies forwards were woeful at protecting the ball in the first half, got better in the second but jeez they were sloppy around the ruck. Made life hard for the halves.
I think the problem for Foley is he needs to be a real standout to justify taking up an overseas space going forward. I don't think we can justify using one of the 3 spaces if he's not going to demand a start, particularly when Kerevi, Cooper and Koroibete are all available.
 

stillmissit

Peter Johnson (47)
I’m not dropping Jed because he was poor but I think Hanigan deserves a chance to start, he was busy when be came on and just as good as Jed at stealing lineouts. He’s probably quicker than Jed which is a nice counter to having Skelton in the pack.
Understand your point but Hanigan is missing the mass which will be essential in the early part of the game. Jed was very good last night, strong in the carries, lot of work in the loose, committed no penalties and supported the row very well in mauls. His best game since becoming a wallaby.
 

KOB1987

John Eales (66)
I think the problem for Foley is he needs to be a real standout to justify taking up an overseas space going forward. I don't think we can justify using one of the 3 spaces if he's not going to demand a start, particularly when Kerevi, Cooper and Koroibete are all available.
Given the alternatives, I think we can. Only for this RWC cycle though. I notice you mention QC (Quade Cooper) in your injury list….that is the obvious caveat, and the reason he is here to begin with.
 

Adam84

Rod McCall (65)
Understand your point but Hanigan is missing the mass which will be essential in the early part of the game. Jed was very good last night, strong in the carries, lot of work in the loose, committed no penalties and supported the row very well in mauls. His best game since becoming a wallaby.
He made a woeful defensive read in the first half though that lead to a try, he should have stayed out and trusted the defender inside of him. But he jammed in which created the space for the fullback to get though.

Played reasonable otherwise, but that was a significant blemish. I’d still take him ahead of Hanigan.
 

stillmissit

Peter Johnson (47)
He made a woeful defensive read in the first half though that lead to a try, he should have stayed out and trusted the defender inside of him. But he jammed in which created the space for the fullback to get though.

Played reasonable otherwise, but that was a significant blemish. I’d still take him ahead of Hanigan.
Adam, he wasn't the only one who made defensive errors. Most of the team missed several. I'll look at the stats tomorrow.
 

KOB1987

John Eales (66)
He made a woeful defensive read in the first half though that lead to a try, he should have stayed out and trusted the defender inside of him. But he jammed in which created the space for the fullback to get though.

Played reasonable otherwise, but that was a significant blemish. I’d still take him ahead of Hanigan.
I think that is a by-product of trying to over structure things. We saw a similar situation in the earlier game when Sam Cane went to swap with his inside man and the Jap guy saw the opening and went over the chalk.

“Trust your instinct” and “play what’s in front of you” come to mind.
 
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