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Wallabies v Ireland

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mark_s

Chilla Wilson (44)
Scotty said:
Strangely enough I'm more concerned about Ashley Cooper at fullback. We need a stronger kicking game from our full back in these conditions, and apart from the I believe he has a tendency to lose his feet when the ground is a bit wet (that hit and spin move he does). He will have to be precise with the boot, and direct in attack.

I share these concerns. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)'s running game has been great but his kicking game has been average (although maybe it only looks average comapred to his running game?). It doesn't matter too much, except when playing in wet and lsippery conditions where field position is critical which sounds like this weekend.

I see the Aus team has been named with Pocock and Smith swapping starting/bench roles and no other changes.
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
Welcome Mac.

It's funny how reactionary teams get about the RWC. New Zealand failed to win 4 times in a row, so they brought in a scheme of resting the players for half a year. They all came back worse and went out in the quarters.

Us Aussies also went out in the quarters and decided that what England had that we didn't was "battle-hardening." So this time, that's the aim.

I've always thought that the best way of wiing the RWC is to treat it like any other tour. All this preparing 3 years out is complete bullshit.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Robbie Deans selects David Pocock ahead of George Smith for Ireland clash

By Darren Walton
November 12, 2009

Robbie Deans' changing of the guard appears complete, with young gun David Pocock picked to start ahead of veteran flanker George Smith in Australia's showdown with Ireland.

While Pocock's recall to the back row - after he started on the bench in last Saturday's 18-9 win over England at Twickenham - is in keeping with Deans's planned rotation policy, it is clear the Wallabies coach now considers the 21-year his first-choice No.7.

It is no coincidence Pocock has been chosen for Australia's biggest two Tests of the spring tour - against New Zealand in Tokyo and now for this weekend's clash with the reigning Six Nations champions.

Smith, Australia's most-capped forward and the country's only two-times John Eales Medallist, is expected to start next weekend against Scotland, the lowest-ranked opponents the Wallabies will face in their grand slam quest.

But Pocock will likely return against Wales in Cardiff, where Australia will potentially be looking to complete a rare sweep of victories over the four home nations.

With Stirling Mortlock and Nathan Sharpe missing the tour with injury and stalwarts Phil Waugh and Al Baxter overlooked, 29-year-old Smith is the only player in the 35-man squad to have won a major trophy - a Bledisloe or World Cup or Tri Nations title.

Deans, though, played down the relevance of his relegation - after the 106-Test veteran had previously started in all seven Bledisloe Cup clashes under his 17-month coaching reign.

``Openside flanker is the toughest position on the ground. It has the most involvement, certainly the most contact, and we're blessed with a couple of world-class opensiders,'' he said.

``They're sharing the work not only between games but within games. There's not a lot of difference between them, to be honest.

``To that end, to have a player that's fresh and excited can often be the point of difference where you've got two players of such high capability.''

Wallabies assistant coach Jim Williams said Smith copped his demotion on the chin.

``I don't know whether he was smiling or not but George is always very professional about those things,'' Williams said.
``He always thinks about the team first and foremost and he never veers away from that line.

``He'll be thinking what his contribution will be to the team and make sure it's on the training pitch as well as during the game.''

Curious Irish reporters were keen to learn more about the young bull who had shoved one of the world's greatest ever No.7s to the bench and Deans was quick to point out his was no selection gamble.

``He's a very strong character,'' Deans said.

``Born in Zimbabwe, so he's got a background not of hardship but he's been brought up with some realities that the rest of us haven't been exposed to.

``He's a solid, well-rounded man now. He's a young man but he's a man in the way he embraces and accepts the responsibilities that he's got and he's played some great football.

``He's not inexperienced now. He's been playing Super rugby for a couple of years and he's established himself in Test rugby, so he's a good player and has a big future.

``He and George both have a big future.''

Pocock's inclusion in the starting side is the only change from last week's match-day squad.
 
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Hugonaut

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Truly fantastic pedantry – the old are/is debate when referring to a club or band. My hat goes off to you sir!

Now to follow this grammatical tangent until it wears a hole in the interweb ...
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
mark_s said:
Scotty said:
Strangely enough I'm more concerned about Ashley Cooper at fullback. We need a stronger kicking game from our full back in these conditions, and apart from the I believe he has a tendency to lose his feet when the ground is a bit wet (that hit and spin move he does). He will have to be precise with the boot, and direct in attack.

I share these concerns. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)'s running game has been great but his kicking game has been average (although maybe it only looks average comapred to his running game?). It doesn't matter too much, except when playing in wet and lsippery conditions where field position is critical which sounds like this weekend.

I see the Aus team has been named with Pocock and Smith swapping starting/bench roles and no other changes.

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)'s ground kicking game is OK. He can't kick an up and under for shit.
 
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macg101

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Scarfman said:
Welcome Mac.

It's funny how reactionary teams get about the RWC. New Zealand failed to win 4 times in a row, so they brought in a scheme of resting the players for half a year. They all came back worse and went out in the quarters.

Us Aussies also went out in the quarters and decided that what England had that we didn't was "battle-hardening." So this time, that's the aim.

I've always thought that the best way of wiing the RWC is to treat it like any other tour. All this preparing 3 years out is complete bullshit.

Ye I agree with most of your points. The major issue for us in 2007 was as you said "battle hardening" the 2007 six nations was Irelands all time peak, we were only a missed tackle away from winning the 6 nations with a grand slam. More importantly we would have won it in style, which was a criticism of the way we won last years tournament (with maybe two passes per game).

The months between the 6 nations and the WC we spent in the gym primarily. Towards the end of the build up we played a few games against poor opposition and struggled, it was all pre season rugby when we should have been peaking.

If you ask me we should try and align the northern hemisphere season with the southern hemisphere, the southern teams have good platform coming off the tri-nations, not saying that they wouldn't be better anyway, I'm just saying its a help.
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macg101

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Always hate to interupt trigonometry in action, but I'm getting a little nervous about selecting Paddy Wallace at 12.

So we have O Gara and Wallace beside each other which makes for a dodgyish defensive channel to be exploited. Although I do feel O Gara has improved, It does look at times like hes just accidentaly bumps into the opposition runner, just like one would accidently hit off someone in a supermarket.
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
NTA said:
I'm keen to see what the scrum is going to do. Nice, messy game coming up.

There's hope for Australia yet. Keep the faith, Nick, keep the faith. This backist reign of terror will end. :thumb
 

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
macg101 said:
Always hate to interupt trigonometry in action, but I'm getting a little nervous about selecting Paddy Wallace at 12.

So we have O Gara and Wallace beside each other which makes for a dodgyish defensive channel to be exploited. Although I do feel O Gara has improved, It does look at times like hes just accidentaly bumps into the opposition runner, just like one would accidently hit off someone in a supermarket.

If the field is going to be as wet and ruined as some people have been saying, then a midfield break will be worth a lot less due to the slower speed. I'm more paranoid on which team has better tactical kicking, and I'm pretty sure it's not the Wallabies going on their track record in the Tri-Nations...
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
Ash said:
macg101 said:
Always hate to interupt trigonometry in action, but I'm getting a little nervous about selecting Paddy Wallace at 12.

So we have O Gara and Wallace beside each other which makes for a dodgyish defensive channel to be exploited. Although I do feel O Gara has improved, It does look at times like hes just accidentaly bumps into the opposition runner, just like one would accidently hit off someone in a supermarket.

If the field is going to be as wet and ruined as some people have been saying, then a midfield break will be worth a lot less due to the slower speed. I'm more paranoid on which team has better tactical kicking, and I'm pretty sure it's not the Wallabies going on their track record in the Tri-Nations...

Sunny outside at the moment, flash-floods every where yesterday and raining this morning. Weather's goosed.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Had a quick look at the training ground the Wallabies were on in Oireland and it looked a touch heavy but not chopped up too badly.

We had 35+ here today in Western Sydney followed by a belter of a thunderstorm Oirish. Weird all over.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
After watching the teams, on paper the Iere look the strong team, like that back three. The Wallabies had two test tho and the Iere will struggle getting the combos to gel.
 

naza

Alan Cameron (40)
fatprop said:
``I don't know whether he was smiling or not but George is always very professional about those things,'' Williams said.
``He always thinks about the team first and foremost and he never veers away from that line."

Pocock's inclusion in the starting side is the only change from last week's match-day squad.

I'm still shocked that George Smith's test career is effectively over. That came awfully quickly.

I'm proud that they are being very respectful. George Smith's service is such that he is deserving of nothing less than the highest plaundits and gratitude. He has been an all time great for us. A class player who was fantastic to watch, always amongst our top performers, he combined an awesome workrate and superior pilfering with some x-factor and touches of flair despite often obliged to do the work of 3 men. That workload took its toll, and regrettably openside is a young man's game.
 

Cutter

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
I think Smith has more to give. naza is right though, he carries a huge workload, rarely misses games and has done so for a long time. I hope Deans is managing Smith. A not too serious injury that requires a 6-8 week break at the start of the S14 might help him as well. Mortlock and Smith debuted at around the same time. Smith has played around 30 tests more than Mortlock. I reckon he'd have played at least that many more S14 games over the same period and he plays club rugby when he can (Mortlock does so very rarely). Although Mortlock plays a very hard game for a 13, he started on the wing and, even as a 13, his body doesn't take the same punishment Smith's does. He will be in the 2011 RWC squad.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Cutter said:
Although Mortlock plays a very hard game for a 13, he started on the wing and, even as a 13, his body doesn't take the same punishment Smith's does. He will be in the 2011 RWC squad.

Given the pace at which Mortlock is moving, he has some pretty big collisions with a run-up. Smith's collision work in or near the ruck isn't done at quite the pace, but he'd cop more hits per game at a slightly lower level of intensity. Would be interesting to try and study that stuff to see who is under more physical pressure.
 
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Spook

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Smith is made from rubber. He's not finished. Will serve as a weapon off the bench and will start the odd test.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
You know when a friendly chat is on its way to a slapping, the time has arrived, Ireland vs Wallabies.
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
Spook has it right. Smith's future with the Wallabies is an occasional start but mostly on the bench as super sub (and I really mean super) for Pocock or Palu, whenever a change is required. An invaluable role for Smith.

George Smith is one of my very favourite players. So talented, so committed. Presents himself superbly. I salute him. Long may he be a Wallaby.

Writing that para I recalled an editorial in an Irish newspaper when the Wallabies first returned to Ireland after winning the RWC in 1991:

"The Wallabies are the most welcome of sporting ambassadors. They are a credit to their country, to themselves and to the code of football they play ..."

I won't fill in the .... It is not a subject which should be mentioned in the context of George Smith who is very charming.
 
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