Wallabies v Ireland, Saturday 16th June, 8.00pm, AAMI Park, Melbourne

[Rugbynutter39]

Best thing probably was Tupou showing again that he is one hell of a prospect. He and Furlong are just something else around the park compared to your average tighthead prop. Lot of talk about holding Tupou back until he’s ready after last week’s win but I’m not sure how much more ready he could be.

How good is Tupou...man he is pure quality and really deserves start ahead of kepu now...with kepu to bench...nothing wrong with kepu but Tupou just a class above.


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[cyclopath]

How good is Tupou.man he is pure quality and really deserves start ahead of kepu now.with kepu to bench.nothing wrong with kepu but Tupou just a class above.


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His form is almost irresistible, but I'm guessing they like his impact role - the scrum gets no weaker, the hit-ups and running get better when the opposition might be fading a bit. But, it's inevitable that he will be the go to #3 for some time. Tasty prospect to think about.

 

[William88]

Genia is going in for surgery on his broken forearm tomorrow.

Apparently a hit off the ball caused the break. Wishing him a speedy recovery.

 

[Tomikin]

His form is almost irresistible, but I'm guessing they like his impact role - the scrum gets no weaker, the hit-ups and running get better when the opposition might be fading a bit. But, it's inevitable that he will be the go to #3 for some time. Tasty prospect to think about.

Yeah i like the impact his having off tge bench starting might blunt that..

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[Joe Blow]

Injury update will be interesting. Coleman looks bad, Genia I'm thinking will be good for next week- few others will be sore including Pocock who had a lock dropped on him from a great height!

That should have been a penalty or worse. They through him across the lineout onto Poey.

 

[TSR]

That should have been a penalty or worse. They through him across the lineout onto Poey.

Yeah - it was interesting that when they are reviewing the hell out of everything that One didn’t get a mention.

Certainly on my understanding of the rules, that was a yellow card offence. But maybe that is wrong - the commentators didn’t seem overly worried about it.

Having said that, I am with the consensus here. Let’s pull back on the video reviews and accept there is going to be some mistakes.

 

[sidelineview]

That game was lost in the contact and up front. Blaming Beale and Foley is the wrong option. Any back will look good in front of a pack making metres- we didn’t tonight and couldn’t stop Ireland from making metres through the middle.

True. Ireland were too strong in that area.
The kicking and general tactics need to improve but this was the crucial difference between the two teams.

 

[Lindommer]

Genia is going in for surgery on his broken forearm tomorrow. Apparently a hit off the ball caused the break. Wishing him a speedy recovery.

Is that going to be reviewed by the citing commissioner?

 

[Lindommer]

That should have been a penalty or worse. They through him (a lock, some lock) across the lineout onto Poey.

And this?

 

[Dismal Pillock]

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I find the continual unecessary TMO involvement highly irritating. Originally the TMO was there to adjudicate on the scoring of tries, i.e. limited to the act of scoring the try. This was later expanded to foul play on referral from the referee. If the past couple of weeks are anything to go by, we now have TMO initiated reviews of anything which takes his fancy. I mean, we now have the TMO reviewing a deliberate knock on at the bottom of a ruck - seriously, why not review every phase of play frame by frame and make the game last 4 hours.

Apart from being irritating, it's also by it's very nature inconsistent and it's impossible to see and review every close decision and probably more importantly, it's bloody boring. I'm sorry, but I just can't get excited watching the ref and the AR standing with their arms folded watching the big screen. I couldn't help but chuckle at Williams and Gauziere congratulating themselves on the forensic examination spotting the deliberate knock on. It may be highly entertaining to retell this little tale at the next referees' meeting, but the whole thing is a turn off.

goddamn, this exactly.
great minds think alike, i just typed out this vague rant on the very same subject

https://nzstuffherald.wordpress.com/2018/06/16/rugby-refs-vs-soccer-refs/

 

[Dave Beat]

Well, when one team wins the contact zone, and gets momentum and penalties in kicking range, we all saw what will happen. When the Wallabies actually got some ball for several phases, we did well. Which was hardly at all. Of course the kicking must be better. No argument. But the standard whinge that it's all the fault of shitty kicking misses the 500lb gorilla in green. Our runners went one-out; theirs had two on the hip. Their cleanouts were far more effective. We got bossed.

Example of the was the quick tap - Foley / Hooper, isolated lost pill.
The irish built 7 + phases time and time again.
We are not acheiving that yet, for a number of reasons - game plan (coach), kicking, passing, loosing contact zone, earning the right.
We won 3 tries to 2 - we lost the penalty count.

 

[Dan54]

Is that going to be reviewed by the citing commissioner?

All incidents are reviewed!! Didn't see what happened to Genia, but would be very surprised if anyone realistically thought the lock was thrown through the lineout , and there should be a citing.

 

[Dan54]

Are you fucking kidding? The loss at the gain line was not a problem? It was all the problem. We got slowed on our ball, we were passive on theirs, they got momentum (with big support runners on the hip all night), we had none, and had sub 30% possession and territory by oranges. Plus (and as a consequence), we were giving away cheap penalties. Easy points. Scrum? Good. Lineout? Good. Defence? Scrambled well enough, but passive. Kicking was poor, granted. But, you think we lost that because of kicking, and that what happened up front was not a problem?? I'm convinced you just don't get rugby much. Ireland dominated the important part of that game totally. They (especially Toner) limited Pocock's effect, although he still got a couple (because he's a freak), they blocked Folau's chasing lines all night very well, and eliminated the high-ball threat. The rest for them was gravy. Bloody smart team. We were inaccurate in many aspects, including kicking. But the battle was on the advantage line.

Couldn't agree more Cyclo, I actually wonder what's in some people's mind with what they post, or if they understand that gain line and crossing it is almost everything in rugby!! I personally thought it was a bloody enjoyable test, can understand Wallaby supporters being disappointed, but let's not be looking at wrong areas to fix. Apart from gain line I thought the Irish took Folau out of the game well, and without his aerial domiance the lack of gain line showed up even more!

 

[Quick Hands]

All incidents are reviewed!! Didn't see what happened to Genia, but would be very surprised if anyone realistically thought the lock was thrown through the lineout , and there should be a citing.

I thought the Pocock one was just one of those things which happen when you have 30 big bodies competing in a collision sport. Didn't see the Genia one either.

Ben Skeen seems to miss no opportunity to inject himself into the game from the confines of the TMO lounge, so I'd be surprised if there was even a hint of anything wrong in either incident.

 

[Joe Blow]

And this?

No, but it should have been a penalty as you cannot jump across in to the other lineout.

 

[sidelineview]

Example of the was the quick tap - Foley / Hooper, isolated lost pill.
The irish built 7 + phases time and time again.
We are not acheiving that yet, for a number of reasons - game plan (coach), kicking, passing, loosing contact zone, earning the right.
We won 3 tries to 2 - we lost the penalty count.

Agree. That was a decisive moment in the game
Bad option taken from a mid field penalty.
But i dont think the score was a true indication of the game where Ireland were dominant. Their defence was awesome.

 

[Istanbul]

I'm happy for the Pockock one not to be reviewed and agree that collisions happen when 30 big blokes are flopping about but let's apply that approach more broadly. I truly don't think the Frenchman deserved a red. I don't think either of the yellows were warranted last night. Refs need to stop looking to apply every rule and refereeing by the letter of the law. Just let if flow, let teams adjust and ensure it is a good game.

 

[wamberal]

Sorry to disagree.



If the Laws of the Game were not meant to be followed, what is the point of having them?


"Letting it flow" might work in park footy. It does not work at the professional level.

 

[dru]

That was my concern. Why were we doing it?

This is the big thing for me. It is a three game series. We had a cracking game and result in game #1 with some obvious dominances. The Irish re-gathered made some changes in tactics and started the top players who had been on the bench.

Wallabies were unable to adapt on the field. (This in itself is worrying, though not apparently unusual).

Over to Cheika and the coaching staff. Let's see a positive response.

 

[Derpus]

Sorry to disagree.



If the Laws of the Game were not meant to be followed, what is the point of having them?


"Letting it flow" might work in park footy. It does not work at the professional level.

Ya agreed, cant just go off half cocked ignoring rules. WR (World Rugby) have a fair bit of work to do to resuscitate this corpse.

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