Wallabies v Ireland, Saturday 16th June, 8.00pm, AAMI Park, Melbourne

[cyclopath]

Beale and DHP both have better boots than foley. I just can’t fathom why we don’t drop them into 1st receiver when we need to exit. As I said last week foleys kicking from hand is never going to change - it’s part of the package. We need a plan B. It’s not rocket science.

Beale's exits were by far the worst. I have no idea how the exit up-and-under became a thing. Baffling tactic, if it was one. Just bizarre.

 

[Derpus]

He was and i will at some point in the future

But he wasn't. By all means show me some. His delivery was a bit slow at times, we got pretty badly organised with receivers because we were getting beaten up at the breakdown. His defence was good though. Gordon is slower. In any event, Powell would be next.

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[Derpus]

Noticed that too.

i always hate when the wallabies score early points. they turn off mentally every time.

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[Up the Guts]

Phipps didn’t do anything outrageously poor when he came on. Discipline really killed us and if we didn’t give away a stupid penalty we found a way to turn over the ball. Just a classic Australian performance in that whenever we held the ball for multiple phases we looked threatening but just couldn’t hold the pill for long enough.

Despite a pretty poor showing for the Wallabies it was still better than anything we served up against England in 2016. Although I’m not sure the Irish attacking game is as good as England’s in 2016, didn’t understand what their idea was with cross field kicks that went almost backwards, also the Ringrose bloke who was supposed to be the great attacking centre was anonymous.

 

[tragic]

Are you fucking kidding? The loss at the gain line was not a problem? It was all the problem. We got slowed on our ball, we were passive on theirs, they got momentum (with big support runners on the hip all night), we had none, and had sub 30% possession and territory by oranges. Plus (and as a consequence), we were giving away cheap penalties. Easy points. Scrum? Good. Lineout? Good. Defence? Scrambled well enough, but passive. Kicking was poor, granted. But, you think we lost that because of kicking, and that what happened up front was not a problem?? I'm convinced you just don't get rugby much. Ireland dominated the important part of that game totally. They (especially Toner) limited Pocock's effect, although he still got a couple (because he's a freak), they blocked Folau's chasing lines all night very well, and eliminated the high-ball threat. The rest for them was gravy. Bloody smart team. We were inaccurate in many aspects, including kicking. But the battle was on the advantage line.

Are you guys really arguing about which of the two shittier parts of our game was actually the shittiest?

 

[tragic]

Beale's exits were by far the worst. I have no idea how the exit up-and-under became a thing. Baffling tactic, if it was one. Just bizarre.

I suspect that was a tactic they were told to do. Blame the coaching for that one. Beale has a longer boot by a fair margin.

 

[cyclopath]

He was and i will at some point in the future

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I won't hold my breath. I've coded games before. Quite a few of them. It takes forever, is boring as shit, but is most illuminating. Few years back - everyone was whining that the All Blacks lay on the wrong side more - they didn't, they just did it better. ABs box-kicks were in better areas? No, they just had better blockers and chasers. Another game, Phipps was getting shit-canned, but over 90% of his passes hit the player between hip and shoulder. Most of the rest were above knee. Not over the head, not on the ground, as many posters were claiming. I coded every one. I'd bet London to a brick that if you bothered, you'd find most passes hit the player between shoulder and waist tonight too. Human nature picks the outliers, and gets blinded to the norm. But, please, code the game, and show me the evidence. Set some defined parameters, and mark each pass. That's all I'll say.

 

[cyclopath]

I suspect that was a tactic they were told to do. Blame the coaching for that one. Beale has a longer boot by a fair margin.

That was my concern. Why were we doing it?

 

[Derpus]

I won't hold my breath. I've coded games before. Quite a few of them. It takes forever, is boring as shit, but is most illuminating. Few years back - everyone was whining that the All Blacks lay on the wrong side more - they didn't, they just did it better. ABs box-kicks were in better areas? No, they just had better blockers and chasers. Another game, Phipps was getting shit-canned, but over 90% of his passes hit the player between hip and shoulder. Most of the rest were above knee. Not over the head, not on the ground, as many posters were claiming. I coded every one. I'd bet London to a brick that if you bothered, you'd find most passes hit the player between shoulder and waist tonight too. Human nature picks the outliers, and gets blinded to the norm. But, please, code the game, and show me the evidence. Set some defined parameters, and mark each pass. That's all I'll say.

Fair, I'll give it a go and let you know.

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[Up the Guts]

That was my concern. Why were we doing it?

We just don’t shelve things that aren’t working quickly enough. Last week we played a game that the we wouldn’t normally play but we played that same game for 80 minutes. When it was clear they had guys blocking Folau we needed to shelve the high ball but we failed too whether or not that is a coaching issue or a playing issue is another matter, Cheika’s benching of Beale suggested he was annoyed he didn’t follow instructions.

 

[cyclopath]

Are you guys really arguing about which of the two shittier parts of our game was actually the shittiest?

Well, when one team wins the contact zone, and gets momentum and penalties in kicking range, we all saw what will happen. When the Wallabies actually got some ball for several phases, we did well. Which was hardly at all. Of course the kicking must be better. No argument. But the standard whinge that it's all the fault of shitty kicking misses the 500lb gorilla in green. Our runners went one-out; theirs had two on the hip. Their cleanouts were far more effective. We got bossed.

 

[Quick Hands]

It's hard to believe but Stephen Hoiles is less effectual as a commentator as he was as Brumbies captain..

Over on channel 10, Burke and Sharpe didn't even know that there's no kick after a penalty try any more. Luckily GB there to enlighten them.

 

[Up the Guts]

Best thing probably was Tupou showing again that he is one hell of a prospect. He and Furlong are just something else around the park compared to your average tighthead prop. Lot of talk about holding Tupou back until he’s ready after last week’s win but I’m not sure how much more ready he could be.

 

[tragic]

Well, when one team wins the contact zone, and gets momentum and penalties in kicking range, we all saw what will happen. When the Wallabies actually got some ball for several phases, we did well. Which was hardly at all. Of course the kicking must be better. No argument. But the standard whinge that it's all the fault of shitty kicking misses the 500lb gorilla in green. Our runners went one-out; theirs had two on the hip. Their cleanouts were far more effective. We got bossed.

I agree in the most part.
But then their penalties were all in kicking range because of our crap kicking and our age old exit strategy of give away a penalty and go back for the kickoff.
Then rinse and repeat.

 

[Up the Guts]

Over on channel 10, Burke and Sharpe didn't even know that there's no kick after a penalty try any more. Luckily GB there to enlighten them.

Still better than Marto though. His sycophantism tonight was excruciating. Meanwhile Kearns seems to have some word of the week he tries to trot out to impress Clarky.

 

[William88]

Best thing probably was Tupou showing again that he is one hell of a prospect. He and Furlong are just something else around the park compared to your average tighthead prop. Lot of talk about holding Tupou back until he’s ready after last week’s win but I’m not sure how much more ready he could be.

Some of his late game hit ups were monstrous. He is exciting to watch.

 

[Quick Hands]

The better team won and the margin flattered the Wallabies IMO.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I find the continual unecessary TMO involvement highly irritating. Originally the TMO was there to adjudicate on the scoring of tries, i.e. limited to the act of scoring the try. This was later expanded to foul play on referral from the referee. If the past couple of weeks are anything to go by, we now have TMO initiated reviews of anything which takes his fancy. I mean, we now have the TMO reviewing a deliberate knock on at the bottom of a ruck - seriously, why not review every phase of play frame by frame and make the game last 4 hours.

Apart from being irritating, it's also by it's very nature inconsistent and it's impossible to see and review every close decision and probably more importantly, it's bloody boring. I'm sorry, but I just can't get excited watching the ref and the AR standing with their arms folded watching the big screen. I couldn't help but chuckle at Williams and Gauziere congratulating themselves on the forensic examination spotting the deliberate knock on. It may be highly entertaining to retell this little tale at the next referees' meeting, but the whole thing is a turn off.

 

[Quick Hands]

Still better than Marto though. His sycophantism tonight was excruciating. Meanwhile Kearns seems to have some word of the week he tries to trot out to impress Clarky.

Channel 10 team far superior to the drivel served up on Fox - hence my viewing preference.

Burke and Sharpe actually give good insights and are pretty neutral in their comments.

 

[formerflanker]

Back in the 1960's i would have been enthusiastic over that close loss. Up against the world no 2 team and scoring a try close to full time, and then battering like men possessed to win the game with just one more try. Wow - stuff memories are made of.
But it's 2018 and an 80-minute game is expected from all players and coaches.
Today I expect swift strategy changes when Plan A doesn't work, such as better game management in bringing our exciting full back into the game.
Sine we are starved of possession, when we do get it play safety first and kick long when in our half. Go crazy at the other end.
If our 10 can't exit our 22 up to half way, do it another way. DHP or Beale could do it.
I expect a message from the water boy saying "coach says next penalty will be your last moment on the field".
Coach should swap Pocock back to 6 at scrum time, make him 1st to the second breakdown along with a 'rower for support.

The beauty of rugby is that it's on again next week.

 

[Derpus]

The better team won and the margin flattered the Wallabies IMO.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I find the continual unecessary TMO involvement highly irritating. Originally the TMO was there to adjudicate on the scoring of tries, i.e. limited to the act of scoring the try. This was later expanded to foul play on referral from the referee. If the past couple of weeks are anything to go by, we now have TMO initiated reviews of anything which takes his fancy. I mean, we now have the TMO reviewing a deliberate knock on at the bottom of a ruck - seriously, why not review every phase of play frame by frame and make the game last 4 hours.

Apart from being irritating, it's also by it's very nature inconsistent and it's impossible to see and review every close decision and probably more importantly, it's bloody boring. I'm sorry, but I just can't get excited watching the ref and the AR standing with their arms folded watching the big screen. I couldn't help but chuckle at Williams and Gauziere congratulating themselves on the forensic examination spotting the deliberate knock on. It may be highly entertaining to retell this little tale at the next referees' meeting, but the whole thing is a turn off.

And you are, presumably, a rusted on rugby fan. God knows what casual observers think.

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