Wallabies v All Blacks Saturday 26th August at Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin

[KOB1987]

That's Hilarious...if that's the case, why not let Kepu take the easy kicks in front...or how about anyone...seeing as they'll have an easy 100% record..lol

Fair enough but you've misinterpreted it a bit, Foley can get distance so that's more what I was getting. Beale potentially has better accuracy though and distance too so upon reflection on that basis it would just make sense to make Beale the main kicker.

However, how many times have Foley's kicks won us a game on the death (Tahs & Wallabies alike) so its a bit counter-intuitive to sack him on just that one performance.

 

[Froggy]

On the Retallick incident, very hard to make a judgement from the limited footage available, but one thing is clear is that Retallick has his hand between Hanigan's legs when he lifts him up and tips him over. The intention may well be just to get Hanigan off him, but there is no doubt the hand between the legs is what causes Hanigan to be tipped up and dropped on his head.

 

[gel]

If only we had someone who practiced as relentlessly as Wilkinson or Carter. We talk about specialist coaches for it, but those two mostly did it all themselves by a drive to be better. Hmmm.

That's what I've been banging on and on about for ages.

Our guys don't appear to put in the extras, therefore it's the 5% extra we are missing out on.

 

[Joe Blow]

That would be in the control of the home broadcaster. Surely a coincidence.
They won't be beaten with any regularity until the match officials genuinely referee without the expectation that NZ will dominate and go
out to make that happen. The number of 50/50 calls that go their way are statistically outrageous. Their shock when they don't get the benefit is obvious. They are whinging about tries being denied as a balance for other offences but the point at hand is that they were not tries awarded that were not tries and were no evidence existed to sustain the tries that Owens awarded. He thought he saw it and awarded it when it did not happen. Why?? Why did he see something that did not exist. The Retallick tackle on Hanigan was a between the legs grip to a spear, head first contact to the ground. It is a red card. Intent has bugger all to do with it. That was obvious direct evidence and the 4 match officials contrived to ignore it and give Retallick the benefit of the doubt. Why??

If so he will be cited

 

[cyclopath]

Fair enough but you've misinterpreted it a bit, Foley can get distance so that's more what I was getting. Beale potentially has better accuracy though and distance too so upon reflection on that basis it would just make sense to make Beale the main kicker.

However, how many times have Foley's kicks won us a game on the death (Tahs & Wallabies alike) so its a bit counter-intuitive to sack him on just that one performance.

Based upon what? He has not demonstrated it thus far, how can anyone know accurate he might be?

 

[cyclopath]

If so he will be cited

Don't hold your breath.

 

[KAOPointman]

My

My biggest problem with Quade is taking the ball into contact, where he is much softer than Foley and inexplicably poor decision making/passing at times. The bigger the stage the worse he often seems to get. None of that shows up in the stats though.

Yeah I know what you mean but honestly...that's just looking for negatives!
I checked the stats again and Foley and Quade made 22tackle busts this year each. Foley took 90runs and Quade took 60 runs to get 22 TBs. those stats don't seem to indicate a liability in the contact zone to me.....(Quade played over half the season injured aswell let's not forget)
Interestingly tho the top four players turning the ball over were Quade, Foley, Janties and Mckensie with the most. (Not all TOs are in the contact zone of course tho)

 

[wamberal]

Forget about the good kicks that Foley has nailed, that is what a top class kicker does.


The problem is that he is just too inconsistent, misses gimmes too often.


It would be an interesting thing for a bright young statistician to analyse.


All I know is, that he misses far too many kickable goals. End of.

 

[TSR]

The first thing to do with Beale is to decide where to play him, and keep him there so he can build a consistent body of form in one spot. It hasn't been 10, on evidence thus far in his career. Maybe that needs to be revisited, I don't know. He has never been a really consistent kicker, but I'm sure he could be good enough if he dedicated himself to the art.

It'll be interesting what they do when Hunt is fit/available.

Beale had been good - and last night defended well in the 12 channel. But I still think that Hunt is the better option there, with Beale at 15. I'm just not sure if Cheika is willing to move Folau.

The most encouraging thing about last night for me was the removal of the musical chairs in defence. Not only because it was much more effective - but also because it showed Cheika is willing to change his strategy where required.

 

[Froggy]

In defence of Foley's kicking, every kicker has an off day (I've seen Carter have an off day), the tragedy is Foley picked last night to have it! Overall, his goal kicking is pretty accurate from within 45 metres, as his 80% record this Super season would reflect. And it's not like his kicking was woeful, three hit the upright!
Would it be good to have a better goal-kicker than Foley? Of course it would, but he isn't that bad an option. His kicking out of hand? Now that's a different story.

 

[Tomikin]

If Lilo could possibly get back to something like his 2012, we will beat anybody.

I live in hope he was magical that year.. Pat McCabe was awesome at inside centre that year too..

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[cyclopath]

If anyone think s Paul Cully is on top of his game..............

Paul Cully's Team of the Week
1. Joe Moody (New Zealand)
2. Dane Coles (New Zealand)
3. Nepo Laulala (New Zealand)
4. Eben Etzebeth (South Africa)
5. Adam Coleman (Australia)
6. Liam Squire (New Zealand)
7. Siya Kolisi (South Africa)
8. Sean McMahon (Australia)
9. Will Genia (Australia)
10. Beauden Barrett (New Zealand)
11. Rieko Ioane (New Zealand)
12. Kurtley Beale (Australia)
13. Tevita Kuridrani (Australia)
14. Ben Smith (New Zealand)
15. Israel Folau (Australia)

 

[Tomikin]

If anyone think s Paul Cully is on top of his game......

Paul Cully's Team of the Week
1. Joe Moody (New Zealand)
2. Dane Coles (New Zealand)
3. Nepo Laulala (New Zealand)
4. Eben Etzebeth (South Africa)
5. Adam Coleman (Australia)
6. Liam Squire (New Zealand)
7. Siya Kolisi (South Africa)
8. Sean McMahon (Australia)
9. Will Genia (Australia)
10. Beauden Barrett (New Zealand)
11. Rieko Ioane (New Zealand)
12. Kurtley Beale (Australia)
13. Tevita Kuridrani (Australia)
14. Ben Smith (New Zealand)
15. Israel Folau (Australia)

Adam Coleman had a blinder

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[Dan54]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the All Blacks showing zero respect for the Wallabies by never once taking a shot at a penalty goal. They got away with it but only just and I guarantee it that if we had won by 1 point that would have been the major talking point in the media today.

Did you hear Read's post match comments on why they didn't take kicks for goal KOB, and it got nothing to do with respect etc but evrything to do with momentum!

 

[Dan54]

I was a high quality performance from the Wallabies. We were as good as them in all facets of the game except goal kicking and the scrum.

Always hard to beat the ABs, just that little bit more difficult with N. Owen in charge. Some truly wierd calls in that match - the tip, the loose head prop being penalised after the half knocks the ball on. I could go on. One only has to listen to the conversations between NO and AB players to understand the depth of the bromance.

Christ Cheika could you at least post under your right name??

 

[drewprint]

Rubbish. That's all about no respect. And fair enough based on our effort last week. But christ at least own it.

 

[Derpus]

Did you hear Read's post match comments on why they didn't take kicks for goal KOB, and it got nothing to do with respect etc but evrything to do with momentum!

Plus Barrett is a terrible shot.

 

[Ulrich]

The first thing to do with Beale is to decide where to play him, and keep him there so he can build a consistent body of form in one spot. It hasn't been 10, on evidence thus far in his career. Maybe that needs to be revisited, I don't know. He has never been a really consistent kicker, but I'm sure he could be good enough if he dedicated himself to the art.

I think he's a good 15 and should stay there.

 

[vidiot]

Pretty exciting friendly after the all blacks forfeited by not providing a field with lights for the start time.

Unfortunately I was watching it hours later, recorded, after an obsessional evening of not seeing scores and my recording ended 10 minutes before full time. Man was I pissed.

Fantastic performance au, just not quite composed enough to bring it home. Apparently.

 

[KAOPointman]

Fair enough but you've misinterpreted it a bit, Foley can get distance so that's more what I was getting. Beale potentially has better accuracy though and distance too so upon reflection on that basis it would just make sense to make Beale the main kicker.

However, how many times have Foley's kicks won us a game on the death (Tahs & Wallabies alike) so its a bit counter-intuitive to sack him on just that one performance.

Don't get me wrong bud.....his Goal kicking is the last thing I'd drop him for atm! His game assessments all year have shown him very inept at the playmaking role....single handedly costing tries, momentum, possession and sanity.....consistently. If anything, his place kicking is a highlight despite it potentially costing us last night!