Wallabies squad for Ireland series

[Zero_Cool]

Cheika has run with two only true jumpers before. It didn't end well. Why would this?

Sure Timu isn't Fardy/Simmons/Hanigan, but he's not inept, he's good enough to be a third option, he was jumping a lot more in the NRC.

 

[cyclopath]

The Tahs have run with a 2 and a bit lineout this season and have done pretty well on their own, and sometimes the opposition lineout. Obviously 3 great options would be great, but I think 2 and a bit can work. I mean they had Simmo and Holloway on Saturday and Holloway is not the tallest lock @ 195cm. Did ok. Of course, Ireland are another proposition, but if you’re organised and clever with it...........
I’m not, by the way suggesting that we go with Simmo and Holloway, in case anyone wants to froth about that. Although Simmo is in the squad.


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[dru]

Sure Timu isn't Fardy/Simmons/Hanigan, but he's not inept, he's good enough to be a third option, he was jumping a lot more in the NRC.

Actually, you have no idea how inept or otherwise he is at international level. It would be a foolish risk, that much is known.

 

[dru]

The Tahs have run with a 2 and a bit lineout this season and have done pretty well on their own, and sometimes the opposition lineout. Obviously 3 great options would be great, but I think 2 and a bit can work. I mean they had Simmo and Holloway on Saturday and Holloway is not the tallest lock @ 195cm. Did ok. Of course, Ireland are another proposition, but if you’re organised and clever with it.....
I’m not, by the way suggesting that we go with Simmo and Holloway, in case anyone wants to froth about that. Although Simmo is in the squad.


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Honest, how do you think they'd go against Ireland? We disrespect the line out here.

 

[Up the Guts]

Honest, how do you think they'd go against Ireland? We disrespect the line out here.

What's the alternative given the squad and the fact Hooper and Pocock will both start? Play Simmons at 6 with Rodda and Coleman?

 

[cyclopath]

Honest, how do you think they'd go against Ireland? We disrespect the line out here.

I said 3 is better, but 2 and a bit can work. We lost by a few points last time we played them in Ireland with probably a similar lineout makeup to that we’re discussing. It’s not unworkable. Why are you absolutely certain it cannot be workable?


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[Zero_Cool]

What's the alternative given the squad and the fact Hooper and Pocock will both start? Play Simmons at 6 with Rodda and Coleman?

If that's the back row we're running we've gotta play Tupou at 6, otherwise we'll never make the gain line!

 

[Derpus]

So, when is the team announced and we are saved from speculating?

 

[Up the Guts]

If that's the back row we're running we've gotta play Tupou at 6, otherwise we'll never make the gain line!

Wasn't suggesting it, just don't see how we get 3 lineout jumpers given the squad and the Pooper.

 

[dru]

I said 3 is better, but 2 and a bit can work. We lost by a few points last time we played them in Ireland with probably a similar lineout makeup to that we’re discussing. It’s not unworkable. Why are you absolutely certain it cannot be workable?


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I haven't said it's unworkable. I've said it is an unwarranted risk. We disrespect the set piece, any set piece, at risk. Starting the Pooper is one thing, running on with two true jumpers is another.

 

[cyclopath]

I haven't said it's unworkable. I've said it is an unwarranted risk. We disrespect the set piece, any set piece, at risk. Starting the Pooper is one thing, running on with two true jumpers is another.

So who would you play as the third backrower?


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[dru]

So who would you play as the third backrower?


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Personally it would be Fardy, then Higganbotham. After that Hobsons choice. Not Timu(needs more rugby, not yet a jumper), not Tui (too soon). When is Dempsey available? Otherwise I'd be thinking Hanigan, with discomfort.

 

[Derpus]

I haven't said it's unworkable. I've said it is an unwarranted risk. We disrespect the set piece, any set piece, at risk. Starting the Pooper is one thing, running on with two true jumpers is another.

Australian rugby is too set-piece oriented as it is.

Look at the tahs against the Chiefs. All our set piece was fine. Our only decent play came off set moves. But around the park? second best in every facet.

People have time and again criticized our dependence on structure.

besides all the alternatives you offered are unavailable, except Higginbotham but he may as well be.

 

[cyclopath]

Personally it would be Fardy, then Higganbotham. After that Hobsons choice. Not Timu(needs more rugby, not yet a jumper), not Tui (too soon). When is Dempsey available? Otherwise I'd be thinking Hanigan, with discomfort.

Dempsey is no lineout savant.


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[ShtinaTina]

Not sure if it's been posted, Tolu is in camp

 

[Zero_Cool]

Dempsey is no lineout savant.

I say he's marginally better than Timu at best. Could look at ASY (Angus Scott-Young) or Wright both are 195ish and proficient line-out jumpers but they aren't ready for Test Rugby yet, maybe next year. Wells could be an option, I was hoping for Holloway to have stepped up this season, sadly. Maybe one of the Brumbies back row guys could be viable.

 

[Up the Guts]

Not sure if it's been posted, Tolu is in camp

Closest guy we have in playing style to Taf, hopefully his similar penchant for low tackling doesn’t result in the same kind of injuries, would be my starting hooker.

 

[ShtinaTina]

Closest guy we have in playing style to Taf, hopefully his similar penchant for low tackling doesn’t result in the same kind of injuries, would be my starting hooker.

Yes he's very Taaf-esque. Glad he's in camp, if not him then Rangi, just a pity about Uelese.

 

[Brumby Runner]

The Tahs have run with a 2 and a bit lineout this season and have done pretty well on their own, and sometimes the opposition lineout. Obviously 3 great options would be great, but I think 2 and a bit can work. I mean they had Simmo and Holloway on Saturday and Holloway is not the tallest lock @ 195cm. Did ok. Of course, Ireland are another proposition, but if you’re organised and clever with it.....
I’m not, by the way suggesting that we go with Simmo and Holloway, in case anyone wants to froth about that. Although Simmo is in the squad.


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And Holloway would at least provide one adequate lock to the team. Anyone thinking Rob Simmons is going ok should check out the statistics, both attacking and defensive, of all the locks under consideration for the Wallabies. They indicate he is the least effective of all locks taken over all aspects of the game in comparison with Coleman, Arnold, Rodda, Philip and even Sam Carter.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Australian rugby is too set-piece oriented as it is.

Look at the tahs against the Chiefs. All our set piece was fine. Our only decent play came off set moves. But around the park? second best in every facet.

People have time and again criticized our dependence on structure.

besides all the alternatives you offered are unavailable, except Higginbotham but he may as well be.

Too true Derpus. It is a rare thing these days to see any of the NZ sides take a set line out when the ball goes into touch. They invariably take a quick throw in and rely on their attacking skills when defenses aren't set. Makes sense? I think it does. By way of contrast, how many times do we see the Aus sides field a kick for touch on the full in touch and threaten to throw in, only to bail out and go for the set piece.

The game has changed, and while our teams still rely on the set piece, lineouts especially, to start an attack, the NZers and probably others have moved on to attack in unstructured play. I know which method has been the most successful in recent times, like the past two or three years.