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Wallabies 9-15 20-22

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Chilla Wilson (44)
Just to follow up on Rugbyfuture doing a list on the forwards I thought we should do a thread on the backs.

My backline would be totally different to Robbie Deans, like Deans I would pick Quade Cooper & Kurtley Beale everytime but the difference being is I would surround them with big bodies & better defenders.

I'm pretty sure that 99% of posters would agree neither Barnes or Giteau have been a raging success next to Cooper others have suggested moving JOC (James O'Connor) into 12 but I'm not sold on watching JOC (James O'Connor) one on one 10 meters out defending SBW or Nonu off an All Black scrum.

Anyway here is my bigger wallaby backline.
9. Genia
10. Cooper (Goal kicker)
11. Ioane
12. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
13. Chambers
14. Turner
15. Beale

20. Burgess 21.JOC (James O'Connor) 22.Horne

I'd have JOC (James O'Connor) as cover for the back 3 only & would be happy to sit Mortlock on the bench if he show's form or if Inman delivers on his potential.
 
dobduff11

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Trevor Allan (34)
With the monster pack I chose I'm going for a dangerous back division, won't happen but its my choice.

9.Genia
10. Cooper
11. Ioane
12. JOC (James O'Connor)
13. Horne
14. Turner
15. Beale

20.Burgess
21. Giteau
22. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)

Pains me to leave out AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) but if Horne repeats his Super 14 form then he starts at 13 and Beale is at 15 so AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) to the bench
 
Slim 293

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
I think AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) has to be on the field somewhere, but that depends on who is playing well elsewhere...

Hickey could do everyone (including the Tahs.. *shudder*) a world of good by seeing how Horne goes at inside centre...

Otherwise I'm not too confident with our inside centre options unless Giteau or Barnes have a blinder next year...

So...

9. Genia
10. Cooper
11. Mitchell
12. ?
13. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
14. Ioane
15. Beale

20. Burgess
21. ?
22. JOC (James O'Connor)
 
Groucho

Groucho

Greg Davis (50)
Slim 293 said:
I think AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) has to be on the field somewhere, but that depends on who is playing well elsewhere...

Hickey could do everyone (including the Tahs.. *shudder*) a world of good by seeing how Horne goes at inside centre...

Otherwise I'm not too confident with our inside centre options unless Giteau or Barnes have a blinder next year...

So...

9. Genia
10. Cooper
11. Mitchell
12. ?
13. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
14. Ioane
15. Beale

20. Burgess
21. ?
22. JOC (James O'Connor)
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Either Horne or Chambers fits the template of a modern 12 better than Giteau or Barnes. Kurtley as well, but we won't go there.
 
Joe Blow

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John Hipwell (52)
Groucho said:
Either Horne or Chambers fits the template of a modern 12 better than Giteau or Barnes. Kurtley as well, but we won't go there.
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Why not?

9.Genia
10.QC (Quade Cooper)
11.Mitchell
12.Beale
13.Chambers
14.Ioane
15.AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)

20.Burgess
21.Giteau
22.JOC (James O'Connor)
 
qwerty51

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Still not sold on AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) @ 13 either. I want bigger centres, ones that can actually bust the line and produce a good offload too. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) runs some good lines and is only out into space by Cooper - when he gets poor ball he has nothing going for him. I like Horne @ 12 too.
 
Richo

Richo

John Thornett (49)
Who kicks? If Australian rugby should have learned anything over the last twelve months, it's that reliable goal-kicking is fundamental to winning matches. We've had Giteau, JOC (James O'Connor), Barnes, Beale and Cooper try their boot. Giteau is a miserable failure as kicker in Tests. The Cooper experiment didn't last long. JOC (James O'Connor) and Beale kicked huge goals to win matches. Barnes probably has the best boot and technical kicking skills but offers less than anyone else in attack, except perhaps Giteau.

I don't believe the Wallabies can continue to make kicking in a secondary priority in selections. This team cannot afford to leave points on the ground. So someone else has to man-up and become a reliable, Test-level kicker and that player must then be accommodated in the side.
 
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John Hipwell (52)
Richo said:
Who kicks? If Australian rugby should have learned anything over the last twelve months, it's that reliable goal-kicking is fundamental to winning matches. We've had Giteau, JOC (James O'Connor), Barnes, Beale and Cooper try their boot. Giteau is a miserable failure as kicker in Tests. The Cooper experiment didn't last long. JOC (James O'Connor) and Beale kicked huge goals to win matches. Barnes probably has the best boot and technical kicking skills but offers less than anyone else in attack, except perhaps Giteau.

I don't believe the Wallabies can continue to make kicking in a secondary priority in selections. This team cannot afford to leave points on the ground. So someone else has to man-up and become a reliable, Test-level kicker and that player must then be accommodated in the side.
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Agreed. Beale and O'Connor have both shown they have the head for goal kicking and with more experience will only get better. Both have come through already under enormous pressure. QC (Quade Cooper) could be there as the 3rd back up.
 
Richo

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John Thornett (49)
Or if Barnes can remember how his hands work and run at the line a bit more, he might provide the steadying hand this team needs.

But yeah, if JOC (James O'Connor)/Beale can get there it would be optimal. Who knows if they will though. The only certainty, IMO, is that Gits is done and dusted.
 
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Ron Walden (29)
9- genia
10- cooper
11- ioane
12- chambers
13- ashley cooper
14- oconner
15- beale

20- burgess
21- barnes/giteau
22- mitchel
 
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Chilla Wilson (44)
Actually I'm with jay-c I'd swap Chambers to 12 & leave AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 13.
 
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Trevor Allan (34)
9. Genia
10. Cooper
11. Ashley-Cooper
12. Barnes (Goal Kicker)
13. Chambers
14. Ioane
15. Beale

20. Burgess
21. JOC (James O'Connor) (can cover every position except #9)
22. Giteau (can cover #9, #10, #12)

I think AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is a must in the starting lineup but we need something more at #13. What we really need is Mortlock but I'm not sure he can make it back?
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is a receiver, not a distributor so I think the closest he can move in is #13.
Cooper is our best bet in attack to get the ball quickly to a big strong #13 like Mortlock/Chambers and to AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and Ioane outside him.
In my opinion that leaves #12 as the big issue - for me it's a choice between Barnes, Giteau and JOC (James O'Connor). Think Barnes can help control the game a little more, which would help Cooper and with his goal kicking performance on the weekend, he's the option I'd go with.
 
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John Hipwell (52)
If Morty could make it back it would complete the backline and shore up the goal kicking ability.
I reclon he has one big year left in him.
 
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Phil Hardcastle (33)
Chambers? Given the options we're going with a 'zero test veteran'? I think he has potential, and did pretty well in his first year of professional rugby, but I thought we were thinking about the World Cup here, not an experimental side to take on one of the rugby minnows.

If Mortlock manages to come through next season fit and firing, he is my pick for 13. That is a very long shot, so it will realistically have to be AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), much though I like the idea of having him on the wing.

Cooper's defence still concerns me. If it is not sorted out, I would be inclined to bench him for matches against the big boys (bringing Barnes in at 10 - admittedly a long shot in some ways, but not in others).

I'm not too keen on naming a completely untried (even at s15 level) 12, so it is between Barnes, Giteau and JO'C for me. My preference is for JO'C (kicker).
 
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John Solomon (38)
Langthorne said:
Chambers? Given the options we're going with a 'zero test veteran'? I think he has potential, and did pretty well in his first year of professional rugby, but I thought we were thinking about the World Cup here, not an experimental side to take on one of the rugby minnows.

If Mortlock manages to come through next season fit and firing, he is my pick for 13. That is a very long shot, so it will realistically have to be AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), much though I like the idea of having him on the wing.

Cooper's defence still concerns me. If it is not sorted out, I would be inclined to bench him for matches against the big boys (bringing Barnes in at 10 - admittedly a long shot in some ways, but not in others).

I'm not too keen on naming a completely untried (even at s15 level) 12, so it is between Barnes, Giteau and JO'C for me. My preference is for JO'C (kicker).
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How many tests has JOC (James O'Connor) started at 12? I hope he starts and stays at 12 with the Force this year.

I like Chambers at 13 and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) on the wing. If Chambers can step up from last years form and bounce back from injury I think he'd be a shoe in.

1- Slipper
2- Polata-Nou
5- Horwill
7- Pocock
9- Genia
10- Cooper
12- O'Connor
13- Chambers
15- Beale

You could work around that core for years, with Pocock taking captaincy post RWC.
 
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