Wallabies 2024

[LeCheese]

Can you please clarify your double negative?

Second not was a typo - edited.

 

[stillmissit]

No - it's unlikely he's fully returned to where he was pre-injury relative to his own previous benchmark. That is not to say his fitness/strength/endurance fails to meet an overall standard, let alone using that to infer the S&C team mustn't be doing their job...

Are you suggesting that nobody would have known he couldn't take the weight or skills of the Boks? Surely his poor scrummaging would have shown up in training against others in the squad and TT was in the squad, fit but not playing. To have a guy like him embarrassed and potentially injured again strikes me as incompetence in professional sport.

 

[LeCheese]

Are you suggesting that nobody would have known he couldn't take the weight or skills of the Boks? Surely his poor scrummaging would have shown up in training against others in the squad and TT was in the squad, fit but not playing. To have a guy like him embarrassed and potentially injured again strikes me as incompetence in professional sport.

I'm not making any suggestions regarding his selection, simply pointing out that your original comment of "12mo is long enough" was off the mark.

Anyway, probably time to Rule 10 this.

 

[Marce]

Actually there’s probably more now than ever. 3 in the top 14 final alone

And the only top class is Will Skelton. Richie Arnold proved in 2023 RWC that he's the useless twin

 

[dru]

And he was in the 23 against the springboks, arguably in the prime position coming off the bench to face the bomb squad. Either way they had about half game each and the split was always going to look like that.

Pretty close. Definitely I thought Zane performed much better in the scrum than AAA. Though the change over to the Bomb Squad was initially faced by AAA.

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Substitute on - Vincent Koch , South Africa

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Substitute on - Gerhard Steenekamp , South Africa

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Substitute on - Zane Nonggorr , Australia

 

[hammertimethere]

Looking at this list again, not many names jump out at me in our weak areas. I'd take Staniforth, Philip, Rory Arnold for locks. Sadly no tight heads of note. My kingdom for a Paul Alo-Emile.

I think overall you would say that Sio, Skelton, Staniforth, Hockings, Hosea, Philip, Arnold, Swinton, Samu, Zaccy Lucas, Perese, Kerevi, Maddocks, Koroibete and Banks are probably the only ones with possibly something to offer in next 2-4 years.

Of that list I reckon Sio, Skelton, Hockings, Swinton, Samu, Lucas, Perese, Kerevi and Banks would materially improve the squad as it currently stands.

 

[Dctarget]

I really want to know if any Springboks have made their debut from Japan?

Or do they all get identified in SA, capped, then move overseas?

 

[Strewthcobber]

I really want to know if any Springboks have made their debut from Japan?

Or do they all get identified in SA, capped, then move overseas?

Jean Kleyn was capped recently out of Munster. He was ex-Ireland

 

[Dctarget]

Jean Kleyn was capped recently out of Munster. He was ex-Ireland

Munster play against SA teams, pretty easy identification.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Munster play against SA teams, pretty easy identification.

OK, what about Nico Jansen van Rensburg at Montpellier , or Jasper Weis who was at Leicester when he debuted?

 

[Dctarget]

OK, what about Nico Jansen van Rensburg at Montpellier , or Jasper Weis who was at Leicester when he debuted?

Yep liking that. I think we should go a similar route and not be afraid to debut from OS.

 

[hammertimethere]

Yep liking that. I think we should go a similar route and not be afraid to debut from OS.

Can only think of Lucas and Hockings as uncapped options I’d want in squad

 

[Marce]

I would be putting Blyth into the second row with Hooper or Uru at 7.

Uru at 7 could be a pretty good idea. After the disaster of last Saturday, you need all the strength available.

 

[Joe Blow]

I guess who else will say “learnings” 100 times if AAA isn’t there

And he could have just started Slipper. Tight Head is a more critical role and AAA is so far off the pace

I think he should have started Slipper and AAA. It was a big ask for Kailea. He is strong and enthusiastic but is very inexperienced for a test prop, same with Nongoor. Ideally we would have TT and Bell in the mix as well as Fa’amausuli and Schoup. Once again our depth is severely tested and depth is what we lack. When we did actually get the ball both Gordon and Lolesio kicked it away aimlessly. We need some direction from the halves.
I think we may see a few more OS picks for the remainder of the RC after the Perth game.

 

[dru]

I think he should have started Slipper and AAA. It was a big ask for Kailea. He is strong and enthusiastic but is very inexperienced for a test prop, same with Nongoor. Ideally we would have TT and Bell in the mix as well as Fa’amausuli and Schoup. Once again our depth is severely tested and depth is what we lack. When we did actually get the ball both Gordon and Lolesio kicked it away aimlessly. We need some direction from the halves.
I think we may see a few more OS picks for the remainder of the RC after the Perth game.

The scrum was attacked and lost on the THP side pretty consistently.

 

[Marce]

The scrum was attacked and lost on the THP side pretty consistently.

Slipper at 3 is a good option?

 

[Joe Blow]

The scrum was attacked and lost on the THP side pretty consistently.

Yes, but if there is a weakness on the other side it enables the TH to get worked, or visa versa. AAA and Slipper know each other and the opposition pretty well. Kailea looks an excellent prospect but he has very little experience, none against a front row like theirs.

 

[Joe Blow]

The scrum is an 8 man deal. Not all the blame can be laid at the feet of one prop. I reckon Cron will turn them around for next week to at least hold our own. TT and Bell make a huge difference but we need a serviceable bench front row To back them up in case of injury.
What has happened to Faamasuli?

 

[Tomthumb]

Yes, but if there is a weakness on the other side it enables the TH to get worked, or visa versa. AAA and Slipper know each other and the opposition pretty well. Kailea looks an excellent prospect but he has very little experience, none against a front row like theirs.

This isn’t true. The tight head anchors the scrum, the loose head is there to put pressure on the opposition scrum, which becomes quite a lot harder when your right side gets pulled back due to poor right head play

 

[Tomthumb]

The scrum is an 8 man deal. Not all the blame can be laid at the feet of one prop. I reckon Cron will turn them around for next week to at least hold our own. TT and Bell make a huge difference but we need a serviceable bench front row To back them up in case of injury.
What has happened to Faamasuli?

It’s an 8 man deal when the whole scrum goes back to a 2nd shove, it’s not an 8 man deal when the right head gets popped instantly every time

Mike Cron ain’t fixing anything, dudes a myth. His invention of the loose bind was one of the most counter productive things in rugby