Wallabies 2023

[Braveheart81]

Happy for the people selected on the referring panel however isn’t this part of the problem with rugby? Why are we making such a promotional activity out of the refs? Their appointments should be low key and fans should know little about their personalities or styles come game day. Obviously the players and staff would do their due diligence but the fans should know little about them, yet they are arguably as famous as some players.

Do people not follow other sports? Referee appointments for critical games are common talking points in many sports and different referees are known to have different styles and reputations.

These referees have been selected as being the best the sport has for the biggest event the sport has. It's a big honour and should be announced publicly.

 

[Lightblue]

That is very disrespectful to someone who has put a lot back into the game of rugby and been good enough to be selected at the highest level, on the biggest stage.

And that’s coming from a Reds supporter, where I feel like sometimes he comes down harder on us to get rid of any notion of ‘old club bias’

Phil. You may be right on the disrespectful call, however, compared to Wayne Barnes, Nic is way behind. He just seems to be always looking for a reason to penalise a team and as a former player I find that amazing. If the game can be kept flowing it should be. Not blown up for every minor indiscretion that doesn’t necessarily affect the result.

 

[stillmissit]

this may help

MAY 11, 2023 Wallabies head coach Eddie Jones has confirmed the side’s coaching staff for the eToro Rugby Championship and Rugby World Cup in France. The highly experienced coach Brad Davis will assist Jones in coaching the attack, having previously held roles with Ospreys in the Pro14 and Bath and Wasps in the English Premiership. He is currently coaching at London Irish and is proud to be coaching his country. A former professional Rugby League player in the 1990s and 2000s, Davis played over 200 games in the English Super League before moving into Rugby coaching in 2006. Current ACT Brumbies assistant and former Wallabies prop Dan Palmer has been brought on board as lineout coach and will work closely with Neal Hatley who was announced as forwards coordinator earlier this year. Hatley is set to link up with the team following the conclusion of the English Premiership where he is currently working with Bath. Frenchman Pierre-Henry Broncan has been appointed as a maul consultant. The 48-year-old former Castres boss took his side to the French Top 14 final last year and boasts coaching experience with Stade Toulouse and also worked at Bath Rugby in England for two years as a scout and analyst. The maul is an important part of the Wallabies’ attack. Meanwhile, former Wallabies flyhalf Berrick Barnes will join the ranks on a part-time basis as a kicking consultant. The former Red and Waratah made his Test debut at the 2007 World Cup in France and was also part of the Wallabies 2011 Rugby World Cup squad, going on to play 51 Tests. Jones has also finalised his strength and conditioning team with the former head of England’s strength and conditioning program Jon Clarke to lead the S&C team with former Scarlets and Canberra Raiders coach Nigel Ashley-Jones as an assistant. John Pryor also returns to the Wallabies set up as a speed consultant, while Warrick Harrington remains in his role as sport scientist. Wallabies head coach Eddie Jones said: “We believe we have a quality coaching staff to plan and prepare the team for a Smash and Grab campaign, winning the Bledisloe Cup and finishing winning the Rugby World Cup."

Thanks RR but still struggling with what a learning coach does - Are they so dumb they need someone to teach them how to learn?

 

[Braveheart81]

Phil. You may be right on the disrespectful call, however, compared to Wayne Barnes, Nic is way behind.

Wayne Barnes is clearly one of the best few referees in the world and has been for some time now.

Nic Berry refereed his first tier 1 test in 2018. Wayne Barnes refereed his 100th test last year.

He is a long way behind and that's fine.

 

[Braveheart81]

Thanks RR but still struggling with what a learning coach does - Are they so dumb they need someone to teach them how to learn?

I am assuming that a substantial amount of the role is around organisation and scheduling of everything to ensure everything runs smoothly and coaches and players can work together smoothly.

 

[stillmissit]

Phil. You may be right on the disrespectful call, however, compared to Wayne Barnes, Nic is way behind. He just seems to be always looking for a reason to penalise a team and as a former player I find that amazing. If the game can be kept flowing it should be. Not blown up for every minor indiscretion that doesn’t necessarily affect the result.

LB I have watched Nic ref over his time and up until recently he was keen on letting the game flow. I think he has been given a talking-to along the lines of 'If you want to ref in RWC you had better follow our instructions'.

 

[stillmissit]

I am assuming that a substantial amount of the role is around organisation and scheduling of everything to ensure everything runs smoothly and coaches and players can work together smoothly.

BH so a lot like my PA in my working days...If he can control Eddie he will be a master PA.

 

[MarkJ]

I’d have thought the fact that Mathieu Raynal is on the referee panel would have caused more discussion than Nic Berry being there.

 

[LeCheese]

Thanks RR but still struggling with what a learning coach does - Are they so dumb they need someone to teach them how to learn?

As I said mate, Google can help...

He taught a young Hawk called Lance Franklin how to kick, helped create revolutionary tactics in a four-flag Hawthorn dynasty, and is often labelled a coaching “guru”, a “genius” or even a “mad scientist in running shorts”.

But highly respected AFL coaching figure David Rath is now on board with the Wallabies, and Eddie Jones is hoping the “guru” can transfer his magic touch to the complex world of Test rugby.

Rath’s title is “learning co-ordinator” – effectively a bridge between analysts, coaches and players.

However, that’s likely to be only a fraction of Rath’s work with the Wallabies, the former AIS biomechanist also acknowledged in the AFL world for helping turn Hawthorn into the competition’s best kickers during their premiership run from 2013 to 2015. And, among many other things, Rath is also widely respected as an insightful trend analyst.

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“But at the starting point it was around being a port of call for the coaches and bridging the gap between them and the analysts, in terms of the information that’s being presented to the players, and making sure it’s landing, in a coherent and effective manner,” Rath said.

”So the messaging from the coaches to players is being promoted in an effective way, in the way they conduct their reviews and previews and walk-throughs. Pretty much all the learning content, getting across to the players in a planned and effective and strategic way. That was the starting point and from there it will evolve as we start to hit the track.“

Helping to build coaching programs involving “tactical periodisation” is also on the agenda, which in layman’s terms is training players with game scenarios at the core, as opposed to doing physical, strategic and psychological training separately.

The other code-hopper: The mystery AFL ‘guru’ recruited by Eddie Jones

Insiders say assistant coach David Rath was a major figure in Hawthorn winning four premierships in eight years. Now he’s on board with the Wallabies.

www.smh.com.au

 

[RugbyReg]

Thanks RR but still struggling with what a learning coach does - Are they so dumb they need someone to teach them how to learn?

yes he is there to assist in the link between analysts, coaches and players - to aid in simplifying the complex. So much in coaching is about communicating and I think he's there to assist that.

 

[dusk]

This gave me a good laugh https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS8oy9PSS/

 

[stillmissit]

This gave me a good laugh https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS8oy9PSS/

I think he's right about the average punter naming 5 wallabies. I think the majority would struggle to name one now that Izzy has gone.

 

[rodha]

10-15 coaches across and within disciplines is absolutely in line with every other major professional team sporting setup globally - can't understand how people have a problem with this.

If you can't see value in specialist coaches/consultants/coordinators, or don't understand what they do (e.g. speed, learning), I'd implore you to do some googling.

I think Eddie has learnt from Link's tenure that these Wallabies need all the micro-managing they can get, as they say history is the greatest teacher (Beale/Patson fiasco)...

We must remember Link only had 3 assistants and no dedicated team manager or specialist S&C conditioning coach due to Pulver's cost-cutting at the time.

This resulted in McKenzie having a shitload of extra responsibilities at his feet, which didn't allow him to coach anywhere near to his real potential. Link was essentially set-up to fail by Pulver as far as I'm concerned. He could never succeed in that pitiful structure.

At least with the current situation the ARU have provided their head coach with all the support he needs in order to succeed...

 

[stillmissit]

I think Eddie has learnt from Link's tenure that these Wallabies need all the micro-managing they can get, as they say history is the greatest teacher (Beale/Patson fiasco)...

We must remember Link only had 3 assistants and no team manager or specialist S&C conditioning coach due to Pulver's cost-cutting at the time.

This resulted in McKenzie having a shitload of extra responsibilities at his feet, which didn't allow him to coach anywhere near to his real potential. Link was essentially set-up to fail by Pulver as far as I'm concerned. He could never succeed in that pitiful structure.

At least with the current situation the ARU have provided their head coach with all the support he needs in order to succeed...

Pulver was a disaster for rugby and although he turned up at a lot of games not sure he had any idea what he was supposed to be running. Little minded bastard. They should have punted Beale and kept Link.

 

[dusk]

I think he's right about the average punter naming 5 wallabies. I think the majority would struggle to name one now that Izzy has gone.

Oh absolutely, I just think his ignorance towards the technicality of Union is funny.

 

[qwerty51]

This gave me a good laugh https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS8oy9PSS/

These kind of takes are supposed to generate outrage for engagement etc. fwiw.

 

[fatprop]

I would love a job description of some of these roles. Speed consultant? "You're slow. Run fast" S&C co-ordinator v S&C coach? What's a Learning co-ordinator? Between attack, defence, overall forwards coaching, maul, lineout, kicking, some of these coaches will be fighting for airtime. I can imagine the players being overwhelmed by data and coaching. But I'll park my cynicism and reserve judgement until the end of the WC. Still that's a lot of bloody coaches.

A speed coach speaks

 

[Pfitzy]

Go and listen to the roar podcast with Angus Gardner. They level of scrutiny and review is impressive

 

[Slim 293]

Petaia out for the rest of the Super Rugby season... hopefully will be right for the start of the RC:

Wrist injury blow to Petaia's Rugby World Cup bid

Jordan Petaia won't have another chance to push his World Cup case with the Queensland Reds, ruled out for the rest of the Super Rugby season after surgery.

www.rugby.com.au

 

[rugbyAU]

Petaia out for the rest of the Super Rugby season... hopefully will be right for the RC:

Wrist injury blow to Petaia's Rugby World Cup bid

Jordan Petaia won't have another chance to push his World Cup case with the Queensland Reds, ruled out for the rest of the Super Rugby season after surgery.

www.rugby.com.au

Reds are even more stuffed now, probably makes it even clearer for our back 3 to be Korobiete, Kellaway and Wright