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Wales v Australia, Monday 18 November 3:10am AEDT

Derpus

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
JRugby2 said:
Kerevi's Red Card is definitely a red card.

He rockets into the tackle at considerable speed, and while in isolation there is nothing wrong with this, the degree of danger is higher as the force of impact is higher/ larger and reduces the amount of control he has over the collision. This is pretty obvious watching it both slowly and at full speed. Kerevi's going in too quick for even himself and doesn't have time to adjust to what the ball carriers doing to make a legal tackle. Going hard into contact is clearly high risk and high reward, but ultimately tacklers have an onus on themselves to be in control of their own contact.

He's also upright, and upright doesn't mean 'standing tall' - ball carriers always dip late and brace for contact instinctually, you need to be lower than them.

Then it's direct head on head at the same moment his body hits the ball carriers body, or - there is nothing that will take away from the initial force of the impact.

Easy red - he won't play again on this tour.
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If this is the case the rules are still pretty fucken dumb IMO.
 
The Ghost of Raelene

The Ghost of Raelene

David Codey (61)
Agent said:
Which is a shame because 12 months ago Lonergan was well and truly in the mix of up and coming Aussie 9's. I'm also amazed and pleased how much Jake Gordon's worth to the Wallabies has increased this year. At the end of Super Rugby there would have been very few people expecting Jake to be a regular starter and arguably the first choice 9 in Oz.

Well done Wallabies!! I just hope for consistency going forward.
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Schmidt is sharpening that squad still.

I think Lonergan is a decent player at Super Rugby level but I think the perceived buzz was in here over what any Wallaby coaches have thought. Brumbies were playing well so the key guys get their name dropped a lot. Jack Deb was getting push in here also. I think a guy like Teddy Wilson will be more likely to rise the ranks over the next 12 months over Lonergan at this point.
 
JRugby2

JRugby2

Bob Loudon (25)
LeCheese said:
Sure, but hindsight's 20/20. Doleman called the penalty before realising Botham was potentially injured - McReight and White can be heard on the ref mic alerting him to it as the ball is cleared from the ruck.
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I wouldn't say this was a hindsight thing based on what happened. For example - you can approach it like the below regardless of the outcome:

*toot toot* "Time off - potential head injury here lets have him assessed" and then say nothing else.

Rather than jumping to the end outcome before you have all of the information. Doleman was clearly anxious/nervous/ on edge from the first whistle and this was one of the examples where it was obvious for all.
 
Tomthumb

Tomthumb

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Then you had Doleman blowing time off after Wales had knocked on to check the clean out by the Welsh prop, only to then give Wales the scrum feed after no foul play was detected despite the knock on clearly happening before he blew time off
 
JRugby2

JRugby2

Bob Loudon (25)
Derpus said:
Because it was innocuous. That type of head contact occurs every match (as it did multiple other times in this match). The bar is too low and its application is so inconsistent as to be a complete lottery.
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We must be looking at different incidents. Nothing about the contact he was sent off for was innocuous. Arguably one of the hardest hits of the game and he collected a skull in the process. The rules aren't dumb just because you don't like them. The sport has moved on from the CTE era.
 
Tomthumb

Tomthumb

Peter Fenwicke (45)
JRugby2 said:
We must be looking at different incidents. Nothing about the contact he was sent off for was innocuous. Arguably one of the hardest hits of the game and he collected a skull in the process. The sport has moved on from the CTE era.
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Unless Nic White gets hit directly in the head...
 
barbarian

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
Staff member
Ignoto said:
We've played 2 matches and scored 13 tries. Across the entire failed RWC campaign, we scored 11.

If Joe manages a Grand Slam, I hope Waugh will be calling the Governor General to have Joe Hamish on the AO list come Australia day!
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Fixed that. Come on mate, Joe is just a puppet. We all know that.
 
LeCheese

LeCheese

Greg Davis (50)
Tomthumb said:
The injury outcome already had dictated the decision. It was a penalty he rescinded because he thought the player was knocked out
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Tomthumb said:
Then why didn't he demand the player go off for an HIA?
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I understand - and in some respects agree with - the point being made, I just think Doleman probably handled it as best he could.

To me it seems apparent that Doleman was not certain Botham was knocked out, but assessed the available evidence (Botham's positioning, Wallabies players saying so) and decided it was reasonably likely. He therefore changed his decision to reflect that, and put the next steps in the hands of the Welsh doctors. If they say Botham's okay to resume, and Doleman is not 100% clear that he was in fact knocked out, I can understand why he wouldn't send him for an off-field assessment.

Should Botham have gone off? Almost certainly. Was that Doleman's error? I don't think so.
 
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