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Bob Loudon (25)
That is insane.
Tri Nations Game 4 South Africa v Australia - Saturday 13 August 2011 - 3N2011
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That is insane.
Pretty sure that is wrong, remember Jean Deysel (?) doing some trickery to get his time down, something about playing a club game during the bye or something. I might have remembered it wrong though.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
This is why I ask because it seems to vary in how the suspensions are applied.
Groucho
Greg Davis (50)
Reading these kinds of posts reminds me of Link's description of posters on this forum as 'know it alls'.
Blue
Andrew Slack (58)
Yup. Very sad to see Smit battle on like this.
Steenkamp has not played in a year. He should be nowhere near the squad. He recovered too late. Had he play two CC games I'd say okay, give him a chance.
They will prolly start him next week.
ChargerWA
Mark Loane (55)
The bitter irony is George Smith saw the writing on the wall that young Lazarus Pocock's rising form and freakish ability to pinch breakdown ball, that it was time to move on while still at the top.
But now with the changed law interpretation at the breakdown and the neutralisation of dominant fetchers in the modern game, George's linking game and skill set is now more relevant to the game then Pocock's.
I'm not saying George would be taking Pocock's spot if he was still around today, as Pocock's involvement in the tackle contest and breakdown are frankly astounding, sometimes it seems like there are two of him out there, but if they were both 23, it would be very interesting as to who would be wearing the #7 jersey.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
Agree Blue. I'm a big fan of Smit in his pomp, his leadership and all round representation of the game, but he's done. Should have retired a year ago at least. Steenkamp and a lot other blokes looked short of a gallop.
Frans Steyn looked overweight and well short of what his natural talent should be providing.
Frans Steyn looked overweight and well short of what his natural talent should be providing.
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
I read the article and then read the comments. I doubt that there would have been any comments if a G&GR moderator had been on. Nothing but abuse and illiteracy. And I thought the Herald and the Roar were poor, but they read like Dostoervsky compared to this. Its a worry.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
That was a character building win for the Wobs but they made us viewers wobble a bit. My fear toward the end was that we would give away a penalty and they would go for the corner and maul it over. We dodged one bullet provided by Moore. Down the side of the ruck is “coming in the side” most days of the week, when it's not out yet. Kepu's penalty at the maul was a penalty every day of the week. He should get a big kick up the arse for that.
But somehow the Boks didn't look like they knew how to score a try in that game
Some other thoughts:
• I don't criticise referees very often, but B. Lawrence had a poor game. And I usually roll my eyes at the facile comment: “He was just as bad for both teams,” but, bloody hell, he was. No that you could blame him a lot for those penalties against Oz at the end of the game, nor those at the beginning. The Wobs discipline was poor.
I thought the Wobs were particularly lucky when McCabe did his spear tackle which was the 2nd time of asking by the Wobs to get a card. Once Oz got away with it though, I was secretly pleased that the Wallabies were the nasty, tough team getting away with rubbish – and the first one was on Bakkies – how sweet was that? Just 20 more now to get even.
• It was just as good to see a Bok scrum walking backwards. Sure Smit is not a strong scrummaging prop but if Steenkamp is the third ranked prop in the RSA their depth is worse than ours. They had the edge before JdP and Beast went off but didn't do the Oz scrum a great deal of harm.
• Cooper mixed his game up better than against NZ but Oz nearly paid the price for his being played at 15 on defence. A more experienced fullback would have judged that high ball in-goal better and defused it.
• JOC (James O'Connor) – what a cracking player he is. That step or two of straightening and delaying before passing to McCabe made the difference for the try and incidentally, the backing up by QC (Quade Cooper) in case he was needed was a nice touch also.
• How good was Samo when he came on? Any chance to swap Higgers and him for next week, you think, or is that unfair?
• After his only starting test match, last year in Christchurch, I criticised A. Fainga'a for his two bad reads on defence which led to two All Black tries. He redeemed himself in Durban, not for his tackling because he's always been able to do that, but for the read in stopping a very promising move by the Boks.
• The forwards looked more accurate and displayed better judgement in their ruck and counter-ruck work so their effort mattered more than a week earlier. Sure their opponents were rusty but it was good to see.
We'll done lads. Nobody is fooling themselves that this effort would have beaten the All Blacks, or England in their pomp - and Ireland won't be too worried at the minute either – but, despite one of our poorest handling displays of recent years, grinding out a win in the RSA after being behind the Boks twice in the game? We'll take that every time thank you very much.
PS – What a pity that move before oranges wasn't consummated in a try. First was the audacity of Cooper to run the ball out from his in-goal with about 10 seconds left in the half, then the first pass near the 22. Bugger, some stuff ups but restarted by McCabe, then Moore, therefore Horwill, hence Cooper again, now Beale, arriving was Ioane, tackled. Cooper again, Beale again– but tackled by F. Steyn who falls on the Wallabies side of the tackle. Kills it.
Bugger, could have been one of the great Wallaby tries given the circumstances of where it was started from, and when.
But somehow the Boks didn't look like they knew how to score a try in that game
Some other thoughts:
• I don't criticise referees very often, but B. Lawrence had a poor game. And I usually roll my eyes at the facile comment: “He was just as bad for both teams,” but, bloody hell, he was. No that you could blame him a lot for those penalties against Oz at the end of the game, nor those at the beginning. The Wobs discipline was poor.
I thought the Wobs were particularly lucky when McCabe did his spear tackle which was the 2nd time of asking by the Wobs to get a card. Once Oz got away with it though, I was secretly pleased that the Wallabies were the nasty, tough team getting away with rubbish – and the first one was on Bakkies – how sweet was that? Just 20 more now to get even.
• It was just as good to see a Bok scrum walking backwards. Sure Smit is not a strong scrummaging prop but if Steenkamp is the third ranked prop in the RSA their depth is worse than ours. They had the edge before JdP and Beast went off but didn't do the Oz scrum a great deal of harm.
• Cooper mixed his game up better than against NZ but Oz nearly paid the price for his being played at 15 on defence. A more experienced fullback would have judged that high ball in-goal better and defused it.
• JOC (James O'Connor) – what a cracking player he is. That step or two of straightening and delaying before passing to McCabe made the difference for the try and incidentally, the backing up by QC (Quade Cooper) in case he was needed was a nice touch also.
• How good was Samo when he came on? Any chance to swap Higgers and him for next week, you think, or is that unfair?
• After his only starting test match, last year in Christchurch, I criticised A. Fainga'a for his two bad reads on defence which led to two All Black tries. He redeemed himself in Durban, not for his tackling because he's always been able to do that, but for the read in stopping a very promising move by the Boks.
• The forwards looked more accurate and displayed better judgement in their ruck and counter-ruck work so their effort mattered more than a week earlier. Sure their opponents were rusty but it was good to see.
We'll done lads. Nobody is fooling themselves that this effort would have beaten the All Blacks, or England in their pomp - and Ireland won't be too worried at the minute either – but, despite one of our poorest handling displays of recent years, grinding out a win in the RSA after being behind the Boks twice in the game? We'll take that every time thank you very much.
PS – What a pity that move before oranges wasn't consummated in a try. First was the audacity of Cooper to run the ball out from his in-goal with about 10 seconds left in the half, then the first pass near the 22. Bugger, some stuff ups but restarted by McCabe, then Moore, therefore Horwill, hence Cooper again, now Beale, arriving was Ioane, tackled. Cooper again, Beale again– but tackled by F. Steyn who falls on the Wallabies side of the tackle. Kills it.
Bugger, could have been one of the great Wallaby tries given the circumstances of where it was started from, and when.
Blue
Andrew Slack (58)
I guess with the history of scrummaging you will take any victory however small.
But I guess it was fun to watch and just topped off a miserable day for the Boks so as a Wallaby fan you had to enjoy it.
Scotty
David Codey (61)
I not one of those you refer to, but Dean's use of the bench was very good. The guys he left on were still performing, and two bench players he used made a real impact. No point making changes just to make changes.
With any luck, most of the guys on the bench that he didn't use, will not be playing in the top 22 in the world cup. S Fa'ainga, Ma'afu, Timani, McCalman. Only Burgess is likely to make the top 22.
vidiot
John Solomon (38)
Yep, Deans has never been a big user of tactical substitutes, he picks his best side and lets them play.
Blue
Andrew Slack (58)
Bit of a farce really but we have come to expect a lucky dip from the SANZAR judiciary.
Groucho
Greg Davis (50)
I doubt McCabe will be cited. It was certainly a yellow card offence but a red is stretching it I think.
Edit: oops, events preceded me.
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daz
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Good news for the Wobs, but to be honest, that was worth a week on the sidelines.
If that tackle was made against the Wobs, we would have been filthy that the tackler wasn't sanctioned. Flows and ebbs, I guess, but IMO a poor decision.
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