The Residency / Poaching Thing...

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As someone who was born and raised in NZ to a Samoan father I have a good idea of how guys like MAA can and do identify and qualify as both and we don't need white bitch-ass guys like you trying to tell us that it's not valid.
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Such a weird response, of course he qualifies to represent them under the current laws, otherwise he wouldn’t be in the squad? The discussion is around whether we should change that, not challenging the legiticamy of current selections


And nobody cares about you or your experiences mate, totally irrelevant, take it elsewhere. Just getting emotional for nothing

 

[Bullrush]

Such a weird response, of course he qualifies to represent them under the current laws, otherwise he wouldn’t be in the squad? The discussion is around whether we should change that, not challenging the legiticamy of current selections


And nobody cares about you or your experiences mate, totally irrelevant, take it elsewhere. Just getting emotional for nothing

No Pacific Islanders care about your weird demand to make them sign on to just one country. You can take that shit elsewhere.

Do you need a safe space free of emotions?

 

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So what’s the solution then? What do you think should happen?

 

[Bullrush]

Players who are no longer wanted by Tier 1 countries should be free to be selected by Tier 2 countries if they are eligible by heritage/residency.

Why is that only players are subject to the eligibility rules? Why don't they apply to coaches, administrators and basically anyone who is involved with the Test team?

 

[Sully]

I disagree. Playing for more than one country would devalue it for everyone. When it comes right down to it those PI players chose who they played for with full knowledge there was no turning back.

 

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Players who are no longer wanted by Tier 1 countries should be free to be selected by Tier 2 countries if they are eligible by heritage/residency.

Why is that only players are subject to the eligibility rules? Why don't they apply to coaches, administrators and basically anyone who is involved with the Test team?

And what’s the eligibility matrix? Where’s the cutoff for heritage? Or do you just have to prove that you “feel” it?

 

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I disagree. Playing for more than one country would devalue it for everyone. When it comes right down to it those PI players chose who they played for with full knowledge there was no turning back.

What a load of rubbish. Doesn't devalue the jersey at all. Michael Jones, Frank Bunce, Stephen Bachop and Inga Tuigamala all represented both the ABs and the Manu - didn't devalue the jersey at all.

Pacific Island players do make a choice because they are forced to. It's not all about just playing for the country you may want to when it may mean losing huge money in income and even losing contracts.

 

[Bullrush]

And what’s the eligibility matrix? Where’s the cutoff for heritage? Or do you just have to prove that you “feel” it?

Yeah sure - just 'feel' it.

Fuck you're a dick

 

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Yeah sure - just 'feel' it.

Fuck you're a dick

Well go on answer the question then, where’s the cutoff?

 

[Bullrush]

Again, why doesn't Eddie Jones - a guy who has represented 4 different countries at the RWC - devalued the jersey? Why is it only players who have to chose what country they represent?

 

[Bullrush]

Well go on answer the question then, where’s the cutoff?

Answer mine first.

 

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Again, why doesn't Eddie Jones - a guy who has represented 4 different countries at the RWC - devalued the jersey? Why is it only players who have to chose what country they represent?

Cause he doesn’t wear the jersey hahaha

 

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Cause he doesn’t wear the jersey hahaha

So that's your cut-off? Coaches don't represent the country then?

 

[cyclopath]

Jesus, can you guys tone it down a bit? By all means have a debate, but fewer personal comments. Please.
Thank you.
A Mod.

 

[Dismal Pillock]

I disagree. Playing for more than one country would devalue it for everyone. When it comes right down to it those PI players chose who they played for with full knowledge there was no turning back.

Agree. Once you can just switch allegiances on a whim of your personal convenience it reduces test rugby to glorified club rugby. It's already daft-looking enough now with all the international mercenaries. #Japan.

 

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So that's your cut-off? Coaches don't represent the country then?

Well no, I haven’t factored in coaches in any part of my discussion, but I’m actually not against countries only employing coaches from their country.

So what’s the cutoff for heritage in your books?

 

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Agree. Once you can just switch allegiances on a whim of your personal convenience it reduces test rugby to glorified club rugby. It's already daft-looking enough now with all the international mercenaries. #Japan.

It is mercenary already. The financial benefits in playing for Aus/NZ/Eng etc far outweigh anything that playing for the pacific nations has to offer. Guys like Jack Lam LOSE money by playing for Samoa.

Again, the idea that Tests lose value or the 'jersey' is devalued isn't supported by any evidence. No-one has thought less of wearing the Manu Samoa or AB jersey because Inga wore both or because Brad Thorn played for the Kangaroos.

In league, seeing all the Mate Ma'a Tonga players switch allegiance has seen a GREATER value placed on the jersey.

 

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Well no, I haven’t factored in coaches in any part of my discussion, but I’m actually not against countries only employing coaches from their country.

So what’s the cutoff for heritage in your books?

I think the current cut-offs are fine.

 

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It is mercenary already. The financial benefits in playing for Aus/NZ/Eng etc far outweigh anything that playing for the pacific nations has to offer. Guys like Jack Lam LOSE money by playing for Samoa.

Again, the idea that Tests lose value or the 'jersey' is devalued isn't supported by any evidence. No-one has thought less of wearing the Manu Samoa or AB jersey because Inga wore both or because Brad Thorn played for the Kangaroos.

In league, seeing all the Mate Ma'a Tonga players switch allegiance has seen a GREATER value placed on the jersey.

International League is a joke. using it as a plus in your arguement does you no favours. Nothing you've said has changed my mind.

 

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But i

I think the current cut-offs are fine.

But in your own words “ telling pacific islanders how they should and shouldn't feel about being able to represent their countries and heritage”. So how can you justify a cutoff at all? What if old mate joe blow has a Tongan great grandmother and has a deep heart felt connection to Tongan even though he wasn’t born there or lived there ever in his life etc etc? Are you saying that he shouldn’t be allowed to represent his country and his heritage doesn’t count?