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George Smith (75)
Pretty sure that if you use the life-size Cyclo doll I just know you've had made it counts. Voodoo & all that.
The Israel Folau saga
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Pretty sure that if you use the life-size Cyclo doll I just know you've had made it counts. Voodoo & all that.
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John Thornett (49)
Thinking too small. We need a Charlemagne style mass baptism of the entire forum.
Pass it to Dunning!
Bob Loudon (25)
I doubt he'd make that case successfully. Is there a business in Australia that has hired more Islanders as a percentage of their payroll than Rugby Australia.
The worst case scenario is he wins that lawsuit, because they won't give him any game time but he still costs them $1 million a season.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
I think the remedy would just be a payout, i doubt he would be reinstated.
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Phil Kearns (64)
On the subject of a lawsuit the rugby ruckus has a good podcast with an employment lawyer up:
Listen to Special - Employment Law and Israel Folau - free speech or a sackable offence? by The Rugby Ruckus Podcast #np on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.com/therugbyruck...srael-folau-free-speech-or-a-sackable-offence
Basically it boils down to rugby proving he is sufficiently damaging their business, which is pretty simple at this stage. Only issue for them seems to be making sure the process is properly observed
Listen to Special - Employment Law and Israel Folau - free speech or a sackable offence? by The Rugby Ruckus Podcast #np on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.com/therugbyruck...srael-folau-free-speech-or-a-sackable-offence
Basically it boils down to rugby proving he is sufficiently damaging their business, which is pretty simple at this stage. Only issue for them seems to be making sure the process is properly observed
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Ken Catchpole (46)
too late
gel
Ken Catchpole (46)
Oh dear.
Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
"As a code we have made it clear to Israel formally and repeatedly that any social media posts or commentary that is in any way disrespectful to people because of their sexuality will result in disciplinary action.
"In the absence of compelling mitigating factors, it is our intention to terminate his contract."
They told him what would happen if he did it, he did it, and they announced that what they said would.happen is now happening.
They've engaged the integrity team to let Folau give his side as per process.
Whats the issue?
"In the absence of compelling mitigating factors, it is our intention to terminate his contract."
They told him what would happen if he did it, he did it, and they announced that what they said would.happen is now happening.
They've engaged the integrity team to let Folau give his side as per process.
Whats the issue?
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Ken Catchpole (46)
I don't really have to. Its likely to play out in the real world shortly.
If RA go through with their intentions it's going to go to court, then mediation and with court costs, legal fees and the sizeable chunk of his contract they come to agreement to pay out, it's going to cost a bomb for them.
All because they opened their mouths publicly before they went through their proper processes.
That's what's likely to happen.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
i dont think this would be positioned as freedom of speech or religion. it is simply down to the fact that an employee knowingly breached multiple policies of his employer, which were agreed to as part of employment agreement, likely the social media and inclusiveness policies, after explicitly being warned against doing so after his first infringement. unless there is a provision for multiple infringements (ie more than 2)?
i doubt the strength of his position in taking this to arbitration as he was cautioned for the previous incident, and there is an argument given the strength of public outcry that he has brought the game and his employer into disrepute with a number of direct financial implications due to his breaches.
i doubt the strength of his position in taking this to arbitration as he was cautioned for the previous incident, and there is an argument given the strength of public outcry that he has brought the game and his employer into disrepute with a number of direct financial implications due to his breaches.
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Ron Walden (29)
I think there are some sporting codes setting themselves impossibly high standards.
Drink driving you have put lives at risk and you should be scrubbed for life if these are the standards we are setting.
Bye bye Greg Inglis (speeding & drink driving), are you willing to do this Peter Beattie? Oh thats right he received a reference from the CEO.
It is going to be greatly amusing to watch Rugby League trying to get anywhere near Peter Beattie's standards.
Drink driving you have put lives at risk and you should be scrubbed for life if these are the standards we are setting.
Bye bye Greg Inglis (speeding & drink driving), are you willing to do this Peter Beattie? Oh thats right he received a reference from the CEO.
It is going to be greatly amusing to watch Rugby League trying to get anywhere near Peter Beattie's standards.
gel
Ken Catchpole (46)
We'll see soon enough, I imagine.
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Peter Sullivan (51)
How would you prove he has damaged the business?
If I was asked I would say he hasn't, his views have previously been expressed and known to the general public.
He then signed a new contract and RA allowed him to play with those beliefs.
the damage had already occurred and was allowed to continue by his presence in the team.
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Peter Sullivan (51)
I am not a lawyer so my thoughts are probably far from valid, but can a contract over-ride discrimination laws?
I think he has a basis to claim what he did was part of his religion, therefore he was fired for his religious beliefs.
I think the vast majority of people are aware that one of the tenants of Christianity is that if you sin then you will go to hell unless you repent.
I think the vast majority of people are aware that Homosexuality is a sin, otherwise why was the SSM debate framed as a "LGBTI v religion" debate.
I think most people are aware that many Christians believe that they should "spread the gospel", this appears to be what Irael was doing.
I think all of his actions can be rightfully described as falling under his religious beliefs and he should be protected from losing his job for expressing his religious beliefs.
I doubt he will succeed though because he is Christian and it seems that "other" religions seem to have more success with litigation.
I think there will be a payout behind closed doors and both parties will agree to part ways, RA will scared of losing.
I think he has a basis to claim what he did was part of his religion, therefore he was fired for his religious beliefs.
I think the vast majority of people are aware that one of the tenants of Christianity is that if you sin then you will go to hell unless you repent.
I think the vast majority of people are aware that Homosexuality is a sin, otherwise why was the SSM debate framed as a "LGBTI v religion" debate.
I think most people are aware that many Christians believe that they should "spread the gospel", this appears to be what Irael was doing.
I think all of his actions can be rightfully described as falling under his religious beliefs and he should be protected from losing his job for expressing his religious beliefs.
I doubt he will succeed though because he is Christian and it seems that "other" religions seem to have more success with litigation.
I think there will be a payout behind closed doors and both parties will agree to part ways, RA will scared of losing.
Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
You would demonstrate that if his contract wasn't terminated, the organisation would suffer significant losses by, say, showing how many sponsors would withdraw their money if he was to continue.
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