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The dying - perhaps death - of Rugby in Australia.

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wolverine

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See below.Yeahh. Australian rugby is really dying
Also, do you seriously that player involvement will not flow over positively into the elite level?

Where is the growth in participation actually occurring? Page 68-69 of the The ARU 2011 Annual Report

For 2010 to 2011, Growth in school participation was 50.1%, but the increase driven largely by growth in Irregular school competition - one off gala Days, knockout competition etc. Growth in club participation was only 0.3%, when growth in the Australian population (from 2009 to July 2010) was 1.7%.

It is reasonable to assume that the 2012 growth again occurred on the back of irregular school competition.
 

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Rocky Elsom (76)
I really wonder about the figures related to Junior Club, and Regular School Footy.

I would imagine that there are a large number of the Regular School players counted twice because many of the younger age groups (U16 and below) at the Sydney schools in regular competitions also play for Sydney Juniors.

Sydney Juniors are all registered in the ARU player registration Database. I have never been asked to fill in an ARU database form for any of the Junior Jarses for their School Rugby. Rugby Masters really don't know who is playing SJRU Club footy, and probably wouldn't identify "Already ARU Registered" and "Not Already ARU Registered" players when they fill in their rugby census forms.

Conclusion: Schools players are not in the ARU database.

It suits ARU not to delve too much into these figures, cause they would show a fairly large drop in actual playing numbers if the Sydney double ups were removed.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
I can recall that MOM threads extended for multiple pages as fellow Gaggerlanders nominated their 3-2-1.

This year the threads have seldom gone beyond two pages.

Is there a sign of a lack of interest in the Wobs from these G&GR numbers?

Would whomever keeps track of the MOM figures for the annual G&GR Wallaby of the year care to comment?
 

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Peter Sullivan (51)
I can recall that MOM threads extended for multiple pages as fellow Gaggerlanders nominated their 3-2-1.

This year the threads have seldom gone beyond two pages.

Is there a sign of a lack of interest in the Wobs from these G&GR numbers?

Would whomever keeps track of the MOM figures for the annual G&GR Wallaby of the year care to comment?
they used to go for a lot of pages because you could argue that your 3 best players were better than someone elses 3 best players.

Now that we dont even have 3 good players in any single game then you cant really argue that your 3 players are better as they are the same as everyone elses. Sometimes it is hard to select 3 players in a game at all
 

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Phil Kearns (64)
I am in a state of deep depression. I have never seen a sporting brand trashed so quickly, and so comprehensively, in my life.

It will take five years to recover the ground we have lost, that is , if we can recover it. If we cannot, then I hate to think what things will look like five years hence.
 
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TOCC

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I am in a state of deep depression. I have never seen a sporting brand trashed so quickly, and so comprehensively, in my life.

It will take five years to recover the ground we have lost, that is , if we can recover it. If we cannot, then I hate to think what things will look like five years hence.

you are so full of shit, you have nothing to back up your claims and you dont even acknowledge people when they provide you with facts and statistics to refute your claims...

Its also bothers me that someone would go into a state of deep depression over a game?
Mate there are significantly larger things to worry about in life then purely rugby union, if you are letting the wallaby and waratah performances effect your emotions so deeply then i must implore you seek out professional help.
 

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Billy Sheehan (19)
Hawker must act as patient is fading

THE moment has arrived, if it didn't arrive months ago, for Michael Hawker to come to the rescue of Australian rugby.
It was at the end of April that Hawker, the former Wallabies centre, became Australian Rugby Union chairman, an appointment that fanned the flickering flames of hope that the sport's governing body could be reformed and revived from within. Five months have now gone by since he took charge, time he has used to take the pulse of the game in this country.
It has been a worthy and worthwhile exercise, even if it smacks of taking a census in the middle of an earthquake. But the time for gently holding the wrist and studying the sweep of the second hand on his watch has passed. Has Hawker not noticed the patient's pulse slowing, the breath shortening, the skin beginning to turn cold? Australian rugby is deteriorating fast and if he doesn't hit the button for the crash cart now, the game will soon slip beyond the point of saving.
The defibrillator paddles have to be applied and the first jolt needs to shake loose Robbie Deans from the coaching position.
There is not the slightest doubt that Deans has given his all over the past five years and tried to make the Wallabies work. But clearly they're not working and that was obvious at Pretoria long before injuries reduced the team to a shambles midway through the second half.
Bad enough that there is scarcely any life in the Wallabies' attack, save for the occasional spurts of adrenalin injected by Kurtley Beale, but now their defence is faltering as well. The Springboks finished with five tries but it could easily have been eight.
Even in going down to the All Blacks yesterday, the Pumas showed vastly more vim and vigour than did the Wallabies at Loftus Versfeld. There is self-evident energy within the Argentinian team. The Pumas are playing with passion and purpose. The Australian team, by contrast, is labouring and hesitant. There is no sparkle in the Wallabies' eyes and that same lifeless, heavy-hooded look is characterising their play. The final scoreline was "only" 31-8 but at times it felt like Australia was reliving the 61-22 massacre at the same ground 15 years ago.
That was the final Test of Greg Smith's reign as Wallabies coach and indeed it is scarcely possible to think of a time since then when Australian rugby supporters have felt so disillusioned and disconnected from their team. Perhaps only the ragged ending of the Eddie Jones era in 2005 had the same torn sense of dislocation.
But it would be so terribly unfair if Deans became the scapegoat for all of this which may yet happen as those above and around him scramble to save themselves. The Wallabies' coach is operating in an environment not of his own making and over which he has little control. His job is only to work within the limitations of a deeply flawed Australian rugby system and to do his best.
Soon after Hawker took office and probably a long time before that, he would have become aware of the ominous rumblings of discontent within Australian rugby. His pulse-taking exercise would have revealed to him the deep suspicion the Super Rugby franchises have of the ARU administration, their utter disillusionment with ARU officials constantly berating them about the importance of everyone staying on the same page and then reading in the columns of handpicked journalists vital information concerning their own operations, information they themselves weren't aware of.
The ARU has killed off the desperately needed third tier between club and Super Rugby, centralised the Academy system under its Low, sorry, High Performance Unit and now wants to centralise the appointment of Super Rugby coaches as well. The vibrancy of Australian rugby has always come from the merging and melding of different styles and approaches but, if the ARU has its way, a grey cloak of bureaucratic uniformity will be laid over the game. Shroud, more like it.
But as the pressure on the national body begins to intensify, the ARU appears to have been forced into a new and more desperate game, criticising the one component of Australian rugby that is thriving at present, Queensland.
In the wake of Quade Cooper's ill-timed, poorly thought-through and yet potentially valuable outburst last week, sections of the Sydney media have begun to speculate openly about a Queensland conspiracy not only to replace Deans with Ewen McKenzie as Wallabies coach but also John O'Neill with Jim Carmichael as ARU CEO.
Frankly, I think that is precisely what should happen but since I have openly been advocating such a course of action for the best part of a year now, I hardly think it qualifies as a conspiracy.
Instead of standing by while Carmichael is attacked, the ARU should be making a detailed study of the many initiatives this former AFL executive has taken to turn Queensland rugby from floundering to flourishing. It might particularly note that Carmichael devotes himself entirely to his tasks as Reds CEO and is not sharing his time or energy with a highly paid non-rugby second job.
No doubt it is extremely embarrassing to the national body that it is being shown up so spectacularly by a state organisation but, just this once, it would be helpful if egos could be put on hold.

While all these shenanigans have been playing out, Hawker has been staying in the background, keeping his own counsel. But that's a luxury he and Australian rugby can afford no longer.
It's time he and the ARU board took charge and made changes and they shouldn't hold back.

I agree with the basic sentiment. Totally
 
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TOCC

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one appointment isn't going to solve the problem... The ARU body needs a complete reform..

Look what one appointment(Jim Carmichael) can do in invigorating the code in Queensland, he come from outside the code and with no ties to the 'old boys' network.. The ARU needs a new voting structure and independent bodies brought in to analyse the state of the code, the structure of competition and make the calls which the current board is reluctant to make because of the politics behind it all.

The game is not dying as some would suggest, the flagship(ie the Wallabies) are struggling and IMO this is in large due to the coaching and selections at the elite level rather then an indicator of the code as a whole.. Super Rugby ratings increased 30% between 2010-2011, and they also had marginal growth on the regular season in 2012.. So the professional arm is holding strong at super rugby level but flailing at test level.
 

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Peter Johnson (47)
I have to say, unless there is a full scale clean out at the ARU within the next 4 or so weeks, I hold very little hope of the wallabies winning the lions tour.

This is the worst I have ever seen Australian Rugby.
 

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David Codey (61)
You are not old enough to remember Qlders booing Wallaby players?
They were worse days.
Or when Kearns was captain and it looked like there was going to be a Super League type split in the game?
Injured players will heal, QC (Quade Cooper) will move on and so will the Wobs.
 
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Jiggles

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It was substantially worse in 1995. We just didn't have twitter and other forms of social media exacerbating it.

I wonder if the Wallabies who sided with Kearns in 1995, have also come out and trashed Cooper for his comments. It would be interesting to see who is a hypocrite.. .
 
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Jiggles

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Two different issues totally.
Are you really that one eyed?

How So?

Both Kearns and Cooper felt that their best interests and the interest of the players were not being looked after by the powers to be. Both thought that was a good enough reason to walk away from or not be involved in the Wallabies until things changed.

The difference is that one had Twitter.. .

EDIT: Kearns thought it was a good enough reason to leave for ever.
 

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David Codey (61)
How So?

Both Kearns and Cooper felt that their best interests and the interest of the players were not being looked after by the powers to be. Both thought that was a good enough reason to walk away from or not be involved in the Wallabies until things changed.

The difference is that one had Twitter.. .

EDIT: Kearns thought it was a good enough reason to leave for ever.
Kearns was never out of step with the other players.Their fight was no different to the cricketers with the Packer circus.The IRB treated the players demands with scorn until they realised Turnbull's mob had some traction.
QC (Quade Cooper) has been on TV complaining about???
NOT ONE PLAYER has backed him, no recently retired players.No one.
QC (Quade Cooper) is being maneuvered by his manager to ensure the ARU withdraws it's offer to enable QC (Quade Cooper) to move on somewhere else.
 
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Jiggles

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Kearns was never out of step with the other players.Their fight was no different to the cricketers with the Packer circus.The IRB treated the players demands with scorn until they realised Turnbull's mob had some traction.
QC (Quade Cooper) has been on TV complaining about???
NOT ONE PLAYER has backed him, no recently retired players.No one.
QC (Quade Cooper) is being maneuvered by his manager to ensure the ARU withdraws it's offer to enable QC (Quade Cooper) to move on somewhere else.

Kearns locked Eales out of meetings trying to get players over to Packer's side. I'd say that is being out of step with some players. You know Eales right? Probably Australia's greatest ever player?

You don't know if Cooper is being maneuvered by anyway, thats all speculation at this stage.

At the end of the day Kearns and a couple of other notable Wallabies were prepared to walk away from the Gold jumper because things weren't going there way. It is no different to Cooper.
 
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