The Awful Truth About The ARU's Financial Position

[TOCC]

On the ARU's finance, the Australian Super Rugby clubs are budgeting for a significant lift in grants from the ARU as of next year, it's looking like a $1 to $2million increase/annum to each club


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[TahDan]

Japan World Cup will be fantastic for Australia given the timezones, but yeah the England RWC won't be braking any ratings records

I wouldn't get too carried away with Japan just yet... word is they're now a chance of losing their hosting rights after dicking up their opulent Olympic Stadium and deciding they need to redesign it so that it won't be ready until 2020.

What's more, the Japanese Super Rugby Franchise have missed every deadline set by SANZAR so far, having only signed 2 players (both 17 year olds from what I hear) and failing to gain any serious support from the Top League sides.

From what I've heard the current head of SANZAR will be meeting with the JRFU to bitch slap them a bit and tell them they're on the verge of having the team scrapped.

 

[Highlander35]

What will happen then? Asia-Pacific Dragons playing out of Singapore? Some sort of Namibian Rep side? Bah bahs side? Rejigging the South African conference to work with 7 teams?

 

[qwerty51]

Scrap the whole thing please and just do a Trans-Tasman comp.

 

[TahDan]

What will happen then? Asia-Pacific Dragons playing out of Singapore? Some sort of Namibian Rep side? Bah bahs side? Rejigging the South African conference to work with 7 teams?

No idea what the alternative is, but in all likelihood the prospect of losing the franchise would be considered an unforgivable loss of face for Japanese rugby more generally, and so that may convince the top league sides to jump on board.




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[TOCC]

I wouldn't get too carried away with Japan just yet. word is they're now a chance of losing their hosting rights after dicking up their opulent Olympic Stadium and deciding they need to redesign it so that it won't be ready until 2020.

Storm in a teacup, yeah they won't host the GF on a ridiculously opulent new stadium, but they have alternate stadiums big enough and up to the standard required to host the GF.

The super rugby team dramas are a separate issue from the RWC preparations.


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[TahDan]

Storm in a teacup, yeah they won't host the GF on a ridiculously opulent new stadium, but they have alternate stadiums big enough and up to the standard required to host the GF.

The super rugby team dramas are a separate issue from the RWC preparations.


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They are and they aren't... Both are also linked to the poor communication and organization of the JRFU. SANZAR have had trouble getting their calls and emails returned as each deadline has passed for their new Super side, and likewise the IRB had to find out about the stadium debacle from the news, as opposed to the from the JRFU. That's pretty piss poor considering the president of the JRFU was until recently also on the Japanese Olympic committee.

It's more than a storm in a tea cup mate. They may get it all together, but there's a lot of pissed off people at both World Rugby and SANZAR right now who think Japan have talked the talk, but can't walk the walk.

Don't get me wrong, I genuinely hope they get their shit together and think they'll still somehow make it work in the end, but it's still a very poor look.


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[TOCC]

Yeah there might be some people pissed that the stadium fell trough, but Japan won't lose the Rugby World Cup.


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[Omar Comin']

Hopefully they'll get their act together. But if they did lose it I'm sure we could step in to host it at short notice!!

 

[qwerty51]

The Rugby Championship will most certainly evolve anyway. I think there's very little chance it will stay in the current format for more than 10 years. There's no doubt in my mind that when Japan and/or the US get to a strong enough level that they'll be included. And I think that's a matter of time.

More insane travel..

 

[Muzza]

How Much Did The ARU get for the wallabies winnIng the rugby championship?

 

[kiap]

How Much Did The ARU get for the wallabies winnIng the rugby championship?

I believe it's like the Rugby World Cup...

Nada

 

[Omar Comin']

More insane travel..

Not necessarily. It would depend how you structured it. You could have pools and/or host nations that change around.

I'd love to one day see the Rugby Championship merge with the Pacific Nations Cup. Samoa and Fiji at full strength (which you only really see in a world cup year) are already good enough and the other countries could soon be. You'd never play games in the island nations but by including them there'd be a lot more matches to make money from in the big markets. It'd probably require an adjustment to the current global rugby calendar though.

 

[AussieDominance]

Not necessarily. It would depend how you structured it. You could have pools and/or host nations that change around.

I'd love to one day see the Rugby Championship merge with the Pacific Nations Cup. Samoa and Fiji at full strength (which you only really see in a world cup year) are already good enough and the other countries could soon be. You'd never play games in the island nations but by including them there'd be a lot more matches to make money from in the big markets. It'd probably require an adjustment to the current global rugby calendar though.

I don't think the ARU actually make money from the Pacific Island games that's why they try and avoid playing them?

 

[Omar Comin']

I don't think the ARU actually make money from the Pacific Island games that's why they try and avoid playing them?

Sure, they don't make any money from one off meaningless games against weakened opponents with players missing and a poor preparation. But as part of a genuine competition with those teams at full strength and with good preparations, and with matches played only in the commercial markets then I don't see why they wouldn't. The world cup with 20 teams makes more money than it would if it was simply the 6 nations plus the 4 RC teams.

If you have a strong competition with say 8 teams or 10 teams, with 4 or 5 games each weekend instead of 2, then you'll make more money from broadcasting rights and sponsorship than before. And it's not like that money would be shared equally.

 

[Braveheart81]

The RWC makes a lot of money because the teams that draw the revenue don't get paid accordingly for their appearance.

The test season is already incredibly full so if you played more games against Pacific nations, you'd be dropping games elsewhere in the calendar. The games might make money but would they make as much money as the alternative fixture?

 

[TOCC]

The best chance for pacific island games against Tier 1 nations is if the IRB mandated that each year Australia and New Zealand played 1 game against a Pacific Nations opponent. Similar to the All Blacks against Samoa this year.

A mid week match, once a year not including a World Cup year.. This would mean In a 4 year cycle, Australia and Zealand would play against all 3 of the major PI teams.

If it's to be played in the PI country then World Rugby would need to consider this an investment in the region and provide some financial compensation/remuneration to NZRU/ARU.


That is unfortunately the most realistic outcome, yet would be a massive improvement on what currently exists.

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[Omar Comin']

The RWC makes a lot of money because the teams that draw the revenue don't get paid accordingly for their appearance.

The test season is already incredibly full so if you played more games against Pacific nations, you'd be dropping games elsewhere in the calendar. The games might make money but would they make as much money as the alternative fixture?

Your first sentence is not arguing what I said. What I said is that the world cup makes more money with 20 teams than it would with 10. How the money is split is a completely different thing. In the case of the world cup, most of the money goes into developing the game around the world. In the case of a SANZAR run competition most of the money would go to SANZAR.

And I'm not just talking pacific nations, I'm also talking USA, Canada and Japan. When they're ready - and the sooner the better. The former bring additional content, the latter bring additional content and additional markets. We currently have a Rugby Championship that usually contains 12 matches played over 6 weeks (8 if you include the 2 bye weeks). If you have an 8 or 10 team competition played over an equal amount of time you'd have 24 or 30 games. That's a lot more content (relevant to more markets) from which to draw broadcast and sponsorship dollars - most of which would flow to SANZAR. And I think it'd be a cooler competition because you could have pools and a final. It would have some variety.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. The only real advantage rugby has over rugby league in Australia is the greater global element. By sticking to as many Australia vs New Zealand vs South Africa games as possible we will be more vulnerable. The NRL is going to really target the international game over the next decade.

 

[Train Without a Station]

I seriously cannot see world rugby mandating the teams that already complain of losing money by playing in the RWC, to play loss making, or profit reducing tests when they already play more tests than any other nations do.

There would be no RWC without the SANZAR nations. Between them they have won all but 1 RWC and are traditionally he 3 strongest teams. Can't see people flocking to see a six nations v2 every 4 years just with weaker teams added.

 

[Marcelo]

The Wallabies brand has a HUGE potential. Only a win against the ABs and the facebook site get something like new 20k followers!

Almost 500k followers ATM

So that's the first step: Big wins at Test level. If u beat the ABs commonly, then win the Bledisloe several times in a decade, the brand will grow. That will attract investors and new supporters.

Little things first and then the complex things. Must first be recovered an average attendance at ANZ of not less than 80k and 50k for Suncorp. Then get attendance of +50k in nontraditional places like Perth, Melbourne, Adelaide, etc.

There is much potential here, the main thing is to be successful on the field