Odyssey_Park the 2nd
Frank Nicholson (4)
I love trying to explain that stuff to Subbies when you’re supposed to have the meeting of 5 to control it all. There’s some wild things that go on out there in Subbies land
Sydney Subbies 2025
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Crashy
Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Poor bloke. A simple case of wrong place, wrong time. I blame RA.
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Wrong sport. I blame the IOC: "javelined"
Bismarck12345
Peter Burge (5)
Anyone brave enough to make some early predictions for the upcoming season?
CrashBandicoot2
Bob McCowan (2)
Div 1:
1st Grade Premiers - Colleagues
Club Relegated - Newport
Div 2:
1st Grade Premiers - Briars
Club Relegated - Nil
Div 3:
1st Grade Premiers - Knox
Club Relegated - Barker
Div 4:
1st Grade Premiers - Hills
Club Relegated - Penrith
Odyssey_Park the 2nd
Frank Nicholson (4)
We won’t have a draw below Div 2 until April.
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Pessimist!
I think Div 2 will be in the next week (yeah so nearly April) and Divs 3 & 4 shortly thereafter.
Odyssey_Park the 2nd
Frank Nicholson (4)
Pfitzy I’ll believe it when I see it.Pessimist!
I think Div 2 will be in the next week (yeah so nearly April) and Divs 3 & 4 shortly thereafter.
I think there are going to be a number of queries from clubs once the division make ups are released which will hold things up.
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Given club committees are being consulted directly, I would think that unlikely.
Ozzie Bob
Charlie Fox (21)
Wow this makes interesting reading.
On first glance:
* Div 3 What has happened to Sydney Harbour?
* Div 4 - Are St Ives and Brothers only competing in those grades?
* Div 5 - Quins with a big drop, guess the colts issue forced subbies hands?
* Div 5 - All those clubs were not in that division last season. There had been rumours Redfield were on the up in terms of playing numbers
* Div 6 - No sign of Balmain, are they finished?
Here To Do
Peter Burge (5)
From the website (changes underlined):
Division One is a six-team competition with clubs competing for the Kentwell, Burke, Barbour (U21 Colts), Whiddon, Judd and Sutherland Cups.
Teams (8): Blue Mountains, Colleagues, Drummoyne, Hunters Hill, Lindfield, Mosman, Newport (+1), Waverley
Division Two is a five-team competition with clubs competing for the Barraclough, Stockdale, Robertson (U21 Colts), Blunt & Richardson Cups.
Teams (6): Briars, Forest (-1), Petersham, St Patrick's, Sydney Irish (+1), UNSW
Division Three is a three-team competition with clubs competing for the Clark, Farrant and Nicholson (U21 Colts) Cups.
Teams (8): Beecroft (-1), Hawkesbury Valley, Hills (-1), Hornsby (+1), Knox, Lane Cove Old Ignatians, Old Barker, Western Raptors (+1)
Division Four is a two-team competition with clubs competing for the Jeffrey and Radford (U21 Colts) Cups.
Teams (7): Balmain (+1), Brothers [Colts] (+1), Chatswood, Macquarie Uni (+1), St Ives (+1) [Jeffrey Cup], Kings, Wakehurst
Division Five is a two-team competition with clubs competing for the McLean and Grose Cups.
Teams (6 - all dropped from higher divisions except Penrith): Canterbury (-1), Epping (-3), Penrith (new), Redfield (-1), Renegades (-1), Sydney Harlequins (-2)
Division Six is a one-team competition with clubs competing for the Meldrum Cup.
Teams (9 - all dropped from higher divisions): Blacktown (-1), Burraneer (-1), Colleagues Convicts (-1), Georges River (-1), Maccabi (-1), Manly Savers (-1), Merrylands (-3), North Cronulla (-1), Oatley (-1)
Not listed (at least, not yet): Sydney Harbour (were Div 3)
A big reshuffle at the lower end of the pyramid - don't personally understand why they shifted so many teams and cups around 4th-6th Div either but will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Big losers are the Rams, Quins and Merrylands - feel especially for Epping and Quins given their successes relatively recently
Will be interesting to see how Penrith fare, although coming into Div 5 is not exactly auspicious
Division One is a six-team competition with clubs competing for the Kentwell, Burke, Barbour (U21 Colts), Whiddon, Judd and Sutherland Cups.
Teams (8): Blue Mountains, Colleagues, Drummoyne, Hunters Hill, Lindfield, Mosman, Newport (+1), Waverley
Division Two is a five-team competition with clubs competing for the Barraclough, Stockdale, Robertson (U21 Colts), Blunt & Richardson Cups.
Teams (6): Briars, Forest (-1), Petersham, St Patrick's, Sydney Irish (+1), UNSW
Division Three is a three-team competition with clubs competing for the Clark, Farrant and Nicholson (U21 Colts) Cups.
Teams (8): Beecroft (-1), Hawkesbury Valley, Hills (-1), Hornsby (+1), Knox, Lane Cove Old Ignatians, Old Barker, Western Raptors (+1)
Division Four is a two-team competition with clubs competing for the Jeffrey and Radford (U21 Colts) Cups.
Teams (7): Balmain (+1), Brothers [Colts] (+1), Chatswood, Macquarie Uni (+1), St Ives (+1) [Jeffrey Cup], Kings, Wakehurst
Division Five is a two-team competition with clubs competing for the McLean and Grose Cups.
Teams (6 - all dropped from higher divisions except Penrith): Canterbury (-1), Epping (-3), Penrith (new), Redfield (-1), Renegades (-1), Sydney Harlequins (-2)
Division Six is a one-team competition with clubs competing for the Meldrum Cup.
Teams (9 - all dropped from higher divisions): Blacktown (-1), Burraneer (-1), Colleagues Convicts (-1), Georges River (-1), Maccabi (-1), Manly Savers (-1), Merrylands (-3), North Cronulla (-1), Oatley (-1)
Not listed (at least, not yet): Sydney Harbour (were Div 3)
A big reshuffle at the lower end of the pyramid - don't personally understand why they shifted so many teams and cups around 4th-6th Div either but will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Big losers are the Rams, Quins and Merrylands - feel especially for Epping and Quins given their successes relatively recently
Will be interesting to see how Penrith fare, although coming into Div 5 is not exactly auspicious
Here To Do
Peter Burge (5)
Balmain now Div 4 - assume they still have Colts?
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
I surmise that St Ives only have Grade, and Brothers only have Colts - therefore they fill a 1+1 space in that Division.
I know that both clubs are looking to build back both elements of their roster.
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Here To Do
Peter Burge (5)
It's so confusing - numerically you have in the same way we got promoted to Div 2 when they split it after the joint season. I agree though with your assessment of the reality of the situationDivision 4 has been repurposed for Colts, so we've not exactly been "dropped"
Odyssey_Park the 2nd
Frank Nicholson (4)
Seems like there’s a lot of surprised people tonight with these changes. Whilst I know most clubs representatives aren’t on here it still seems a massive shift in thinking
Here To Do
Peter Burge (5)
In fairness, I think those involved and with skin in the game have been kept abreast of the potential changes. Doesn't mean they can change Subbies' minds, but I don't think anyone worth their position as a club rep would have been blindsided.
Interesting the "switch" between Divs 4 and 5 is similar to just before I got involved at Briars - they didn't have Colts at the time so got dropped from Div 3 to Div 4 prior to the 2015 season (which I joined during).
I think it was a bit of a wake-up call for a lot of people involved with the club as we spent the next 5 seasons trying to climb back up in what seemed to be an abyss - we weren't good enough on the park no matter how good we were behind the scenes. Then everything clicked in 2019 with a strong Colts and 1st XV season and we haven't looked back ever since, even if we had a dry spell between the post-COVID era and last season's 1sts run to the GF.
I just hope that the teams who've been given a promotion (at least on paper) take the opportunity and run with it and that those who've been placed lower can find a way to bounce back. At the end of the day, we can hate each other on matchday (until the beers flow in the evening) but we're all in this together.