Sydney Colts - 2015
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Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
@The Baz, after this weekend the ladder positions matter little.
Unless The Corporation are kicked out of the competition (highly unlikely) in Colts 3, regardless of whether BuildCorp are docked any points or not, any aspiring Premier will need to win 3/3 knockout games with two of the victories being against Randi-Wix, Highlanders and/or The Corporation.
IMHO the Premier in Colts 3 will be one of the three mobs named above.
Unless The Corporation are kicked out of the competition (highly unlikely) in Colts 3, regardless of whether BuildCorp are docked any points or not, any aspiring Premier will need to win 3/3 knockout games with two of the victories being against Randi-Wix, Highlanders and/or The Corporation.
IMHO the Premier in Colts 3 will be one of the three mobs named above.
Rugby Mum
Watty Friend (18)
Well the Corporation 3rd colts have been hit hard with 15 points deducted for breaking the rules. This pushed Gordon up to 2nd and Norths into 3rd.
A little premature advertising in their newsletter claiming minor premiers in all three grades.....
http://www2.rugbylink.com.au/common...de=0&gradeid=18093_1&entityid=53029&id=LADBAS
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
No dispensation then. Penalty is as expected and appropriate.
Club Championship just got a whole lot closer. Woodies, The Corporation and Randi-Wix will be carefully monitoring scores tomorrow as the day unfolds.
No real change to Colts Club Championship. The Gallopers won this about two rounds ago.
I like to watch
David Codey (61)
No freebies for you at the Uni canteen or bar for the term of your natural life.....
BillyBlack
Allen Oxlade (6)
OK, so Uni are deducted 5 points for each of the 3 games. Unlucky, but rules are rules.
Question is - whey aren't the 3 results nullified and each team (Warringah, Gordon and Southern Districts) credited with a 28-0 victory (i.e. 5 points to them) ??
Uni are penalised, but why aren't the affected teams benefitting ??
They are the ones that had to play a "stacked" team ??
As it stands, everyone benefits.
Question is - whey aren't the 3 results nullified and each team (Warringah, Gordon and Southern Districts) credited with a 28-0 victory (i.e. 5 points to them) ??
Uni are penalised, but why aren't the affected teams benefitting ??
They are the ones that had to play a "stacked" team ??
As it stands, everyone benefits.
GPSrow
Watty Friend (18)
Why didn't this Uni Aus A boy play in 2s, 1s or grade? Seems like a massive waste of talent, size and "uccyyynesss" that could've been used elsewhere. From watching and playing in that game, his opposite man in the scrum did not seem to be affected by his presence either.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
^^^ Doesn't really matter whether his opposite man was impacted or not in the Gordon game, the rules do not allow a Schoolboy or Schoolboy A player to take the field in Colts 3rds, without a dispensation.
Just browse through any of the Schoolboy rep threads after selections have been announced to see how "wrong" the ASRU selectors are "all the time". It matters little that the ineligible player may have had little impact in the game, or how wrong the ASRU selectors may have been to select the player for the Aust A's back in 2013. The Corporation Coaches may also think he is not the best prop on their roster and not warranting a place in the 2's or 1's. Whether he "deserved" his selection into Aust A is moot, as is his current form or position in the props pecking order at the club. The basic fact is unchanged. He was ineligible.
For all we know he may be the 5th best prop in The Corporations Colts programme, and therefore not warrant selection in Colts 2's or 1's. Not all players carry their schoolboys form into Colts, and someone (@Eyes and Ears I think) has said that he was injured. Many clubs have a graduated return to play philosophy, where injured players start out with limited time in lower grades, ie Nick Batger played 3rd Grade for Woodies last week, and is in the 2's this week; Jarome McKenzie did similar and started 3rd Grade for Beasties, before being named in the 1's this week.
I am mildly intrigued as to how The Corporation actually got it wrong. They are usually very switched on with respect to the eligibility requirements and how to stay on the right side of the Player Points cap restrictions and the like. If he is the 5th best prop in Camperdown then, without said dispensation from the Competition Manager, he should have been in 3rd or 4th grade rather than Colts 3. The possible "slip of the ASRU selectors pen" that saw him named on the bench as an injury call up for Aust A puts him in the same category as Andrew Kellaway, Matthew Sandell, Lachlan Anderson and Jack McCalman - Former ASRU Representatives from 2013. A category that the competition rules specifically exclude from being eligible for Colts 3rds.
Just browse through any of the Schoolboy rep threads after selections have been announced to see how "wrong" the ASRU selectors are "all the time". It matters little that the ineligible player may have had little impact in the game, or how wrong the ASRU selectors may have been to select the player for the Aust A's back in 2013. The Corporation Coaches may also think he is not the best prop on their roster and not warranting a place in the 2's or 1's. Whether he "deserved" his selection into Aust A is moot, as is his current form or position in the props pecking order at the club. The basic fact is unchanged. He was ineligible.
For all we know he may be the 5th best prop in The Corporations Colts programme, and therefore not warrant selection in Colts 2's or 1's. Not all players carry their schoolboys form into Colts, and someone (@Eyes and Ears I think) has said that he was injured. Many clubs have a graduated return to play philosophy, where injured players start out with limited time in lower grades, ie Nick Batger played 3rd Grade for Woodies last week, and is in the 2's this week; Jarome McKenzie did similar and started 3rd Grade for Beasties, before being named in the 1's this week.
I am mildly intrigued as to how The Corporation actually got it wrong. They are usually very switched on with respect to the eligibility requirements and how to stay on the right side of the Player Points cap restrictions and the like. If he is the 5th best prop in Camperdown then, without said dispensation from the Competition Manager, he should have been in 3rd or 4th grade rather than Colts 3. The possible "slip of the ASRU selectors pen" that saw him named on the bench as an injury call up for Aust A puts him in the same category as Andrew Kellaway, Matthew Sandell, Lachlan Anderson and Jack McCalman - Former ASRU Representatives from 2013. A category that the competition rules specifically exclude from being eligible for Colts 3rds.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
^^The rule/s in question were brought in to stop clubs warehousing representative players in lower grade colts.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Round 18 Results
W. McMahon Memorial Shield - Colts 1
Northern Suburbs 15 Sydney University 36
Randwick 50 Manly 18
Gordon 28 The Bye 0
Parramatta 33 Eastern Suburbs 36
Southern Districts 73 West Harbour 12
Warringah 24 Eastwood 34
Minor Premiership - Randwick
Finals Week 1: Randwick (1) vs Eastwood (6), Sydney University (2) vs Gordon (5), Eastern Surburbs (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4)
Shell Trophy - Colts 2
Northern Suburbs 5 Sydney University 24
Randwick 71 Manly 7
Gordon 33 Penrith 14
Parramatta 19 Eastern Suburbs 47
Southern Districts 34 West Harbour 19
Warringah 24 Eastwood 53
Minor Premiership - Sydney University
Finals Week 1: Sydney University (1) vs Eastern Suburbs (6), Randwick (2) vs Southern Districts (5), Northern Suburbs (3) vs Gordon (4)
Bill Simpson Shield - Colts 3
Northern Suburbs 12 Sydney University 61
Randwick 40 Manly 0
Gordon 64 Penrith 14
Parramatta 31 Eastern Suburbs 19
Southern Districts 31 West Harbour 19
Warringah 62 Eastwood 12
Minor Premiership - Randwick
Finals Week 1: Randwick (1) vs West Harbour (6), Gordon (2) vs Southern Districts (5), Sydney University (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4)
W. McMahon Memorial Shield - Colts 1
Northern Suburbs 15 Sydney University 36
Randwick 50 Manly 18
Gordon 28 The Bye 0
Parramatta 33 Eastern Suburbs 36
Southern Districts 73 West Harbour 12
Warringah 24 Eastwood 34
Minor Premiership - Randwick
Finals Week 1: Randwick (1) vs Eastwood (6), Sydney University (2) vs Gordon (5), Eastern Surburbs (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4)
Shell Trophy - Colts 2
Northern Suburbs 5 Sydney University 24
Randwick 71 Manly 7
Gordon 33 Penrith 14
Parramatta 19 Eastern Suburbs 47
Southern Districts 34 West Harbour 19
Warringah 24 Eastwood 53
Minor Premiership - Sydney University
Finals Week 1: Sydney University (1) vs Eastern Suburbs (6), Randwick (2) vs Southern Districts (5), Northern Suburbs (3) vs Gordon (4)
Bill Simpson Shield - Colts 3
Northern Suburbs 12 Sydney University 61
Randwick 40 Manly 0
Gordon 64 Penrith 14
Parramatta 31 Eastern Suburbs 19
Southern Districts 31 West Harbour 19
Warringah 62 Eastwood 12
Minor Premiership - Randwick
Finals Week 1: Randwick (1) vs West Harbour (6), Gordon (2) vs Southern Districts (5), Sydney University (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4)
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Eric Spilsted Shield (Colts Club Championship) Result:
There are a maximum of 55 points available to a club each week, based on all 3 colts teams winning with a 4 try BP.
Randwick, 922 points (Impressive effort to achieve this from a maximum possible 990 points!)
Sydney University, 832 points*
Northern Suburbs, 695 points
Gordon, 670 points
Eastern Suburbs, 550 points
Southern Districts, 514 points
Eastwood, 473 points
Parramatta, 421 points
Manly, 385 points
West Harbour, 316 points
Warringah, 200 points#
Penrith, 154 points
How the Colts Club Championship table is calculated.
The competition points from the individual competitions are multiplied by the following factors and then added together.
Colts 1 - 6
Colts 2 - 3
Colts 3 - 2
# Warringah deducted 4 points for a Late Forfeit in Round 1 Colts 3, 2 Points for a Forfeit in Round 2 Colts 3 and 5 points for a player registration breach and failure to submit completed team sheets.
* Sydney University deducted 15 points for playing an former Australian Schoolboy A player in 3rd Grade Colts.
There are a maximum of 55 points available to a club each week, based on all 3 colts teams winning with a 4 try BP.
Randwick, 922 points (Impressive effort to achieve this from a maximum possible 990 points!)
Sydney University, 832 points*
Northern Suburbs, 695 points
Gordon, 670 points
Eastern Suburbs, 550 points
Southern Districts, 514 points
Eastwood, 473 points
Parramatta, 421 points
Manly, 385 points
West Harbour, 316 points
Warringah, 200 points#
Penrith, 154 points
How the Colts Club Championship table is calculated.
The competition points from the individual competitions are multiplied by the following factors and then added together.
Colts 1 - 6
Colts 2 - 3
Colts 3 - 2
# Warringah deducted 4 points for a Late Forfeit in Round 1 Colts 3, 2 Points for a Forfeit in Round 2 Colts 3 and 5 points for a player registration breach and failure to submit completed team sheets.
* Sydney University deducted 15 points for playing an former Australian Schoolboy A player in 3rd Grade Colts.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
http://www.nswrugby.com.au/News/New...ticleID/15741/SHUTE-SHIELD-FINALS-FORMAT.aspx
The NSW RU Web site says "All Colts finals matches including the Grand Final are at Forshaw Rugby Park."
On that basis, then I reckon that the finals week 1 matches will go something along these lines:
Saturday
approx 3:00 pm Sydney University (2) vs Gordon (5) - Colts 1
approx 1:25 pm Eastern Surburbs (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Colts 1
approx 12:00 pm Sydney University (1) vs Eastern Suburbs (6) - Colts 2
approx 10:25 am Sydney University (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Colts 3
Sunday
approx 3:00 pm Randwick (1) vs Eastwood (6) - Colts 1
approx 1:25 pm Northern Suburbs (3) vs Gordon (4) - Colts 2
approx 12:00 pm Randwick (2) vs Southern Districts (5) - Colts 2
approx 10:25 am Gordon (2) vs Southern Districts (5) - Colts 3 (Back oval ?)
approx 10:25 am Randwick (1) vs West Harbour (6) - Colts 3
It would make sense to move the Sunday games to Coogee Oval (if it is available [IIRC Loig play there on Sundays]). This would reward Wicks with home ground advantage rewarding the Colts Club Champions, and it would free up Forshaw Park for Southern Districts to host a Grade Finals.
Alternately run the 5 "Sunday" games on Saturday at Coogee Oval. Start the "back oval" game early, and tighten up on timings but I don't think all games can be played on Saturday, at two different ovals because of timing and location challenges needed to allow players to get between venues to fulfil bench requirements.
The NSW RU Web site says "All Colts finals matches including the Grand Final are at Forshaw Rugby Park."
On that basis, then I reckon that the finals week 1 matches will go something along these lines:
Saturday
approx 3:00 pm Sydney University (2) vs Gordon (5) - Colts 1
approx 1:25 pm Eastern Surburbs (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Colts 1
approx 12:00 pm Sydney University (1) vs Eastern Suburbs (6) - Colts 2
approx 10:25 am Sydney University (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Colts 3
Sunday
approx 3:00 pm Randwick (1) vs Eastwood (6) - Colts 1
approx 1:25 pm Northern Suburbs (3) vs Gordon (4) - Colts 2
approx 12:00 pm Randwick (2) vs Southern Districts (5) - Colts 2
approx 10:25 am Gordon (2) vs Southern Districts (5) - Colts 3 (Back oval ?)
approx 10:25 am Randwick (1) vs West Harbour (6) - Colts 3
It would make sense to move the Sunday games to Coogee Oval (if it is available [IIRC Loig play there on Sundays]). This would reward Wicks with home ground advantage rewarding the Colts Club Champions, and it would free up Forshaw Park for Southern Districts to host a Grade Finals.
Alternately run the 5 "Sunday" games on Saturday at Coogee Oval. Start the "back oval" game early, and tighten up on timings but I don't think all games can be played on Saturday, at two different ovals because of timing and location challenges needed to allow players to get between venues to fulfil bench requirements.
the baz
Alfred Walker (16)
Games for colts on Sunday at chatswood oval, only saturday at foreshore
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Looks like I was "sort of" right in bits.
This is the draft programme that I believe is "doing the rounds".
It seems some logic and common sense has prevailed, but my snout stressed that it is subject to change.
Manly Oval - Saturday
3:10 pm Manly (1) vs Randwick (6) - First Grade (TV game)
1:15 pm Manly (1) vs West Harbour (6) - Second Grade
11:40 am Sydney University (2) vs Randwick (5) - Third Grade
10:40 am Sydney University (1) vs Southern Districts (6) - Fourth Grade
TG Millner - Saturday
3:00 pm Eastwood (2) vs Warringah (5) - First Grade
1:15 pm Eastwood (2) vs Warringah (5) - Second grade
11:40 am Eastwood (1) vs Warringah (6) - Third Grade
10:15 am Eastwood (2) vs Eastern Suburbs (5) - Fourth Grade
Forshaw Park - Saturday
3:00 pm Randwick (1) vs Eastwood (6) - Colts 1
1:10 pm Sydney University (2) vs Gordon (5) - Colts 1
11:30 am Sydney University (1) vs Eastern Suburbs (6) - Colts 2
10:00 am Randwick (1) vs West Harbour (6) - Colts 3
10:00 am Sydney University (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Colts 3 (Oval 2)
Forshaw Park - Sunday
2:40 pm Southern Districts (3) vs Sydney University (4) - First Grade (TV game)
12:55 pm Randwick (3) vs Sydney University (4) - Second Grade
11:20 am Eastern Suburbs (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Third Grade
9:55 am Manly (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Fourth Grade
Colts on Sunday will be at Chatswood Oval not Forshaw Park.
Chatswood Oval - Sunday
3:00 pm Eastern Surburbs (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Colts 1
1:10 pm Randwick (2) vs Southern Districts (5) - Colts 2
11:30 am Northern Suburbs (3) vs Gordon (4) - Colts 2
10:00 am Gordon (2) vs Southern Districts (5) - Colts 3
This is the draft programme that I believe is "doing the rounds".
It seems some logic and common sense has prevailed, but my snout stressed that it is subject to change.
Manly Oval - Saturday
3:10 pm Manly (1) vs Randwick (6) - First Grade (TV game)
1:15 pm Manly (1) vs West Harbour (6) - Second Grade
11:40 am Sydney University (2) vs Randwick (5) - Third Grade
10:40 am Sydney University (1) vs Southern Districts (6) - Fourth Grade
TG Millner - Saturday
3:00 pm Eastwood (2) vs Warringah (5) - First Grade
1:15 pm Eastwood (2) vs Warringah (5) - Second grade
11:40 am Eastwood (1) vs Warringah (6) - Third Grade
10:15 am Eastwood (2) vs Eastern Suburbs (5) - Fourth Grade
Forshaw Park - Saturday
3:00 pm Randwick (1) vs Eastwood (6) - Colts 1
1:10 pm Sydney University (2) vs Gordon (5) - Colts 1
11:30 am Sydney University (1) vs Eastern Suburbs (6) - Colts 2
10:00 am Randwick (1) vs West Harbour (6) - Colts 3
10:00 am Sydney University (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Colts 3 (Oval 2)
Forshaw Park - Sunday
2:40 pm Southern Districts (3) vs Sydney University (4) - First Grade (TV game)
12:55 pm Randwick (3) vs Sydney University (4) - Second Grade
11:20 am Eastern Suburbs (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Third Grade
9:55 am Manly (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Fourth Grade
Colts on Sunday will be at Chatswood Oval not Forshaw Park.
Chatswood Oval - Sunday
3:00 pm Eastern Surburbs (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Colts 1
1:10 pm Randwick (2) vs Southern Districts (5) - Colts 2
11:30 am Northern Suburbs (3) vs Gordon (4) - Colts 2
10:00 am Gordon (2) vs Southern Districts (5) - Colts 3
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
I'll put a full top 10 for the season in the next day or so.
(A few score sheets are not on the web site yet)
In the meantime, try these:
Colts 1
Most Tries - Matthew Crafts (Randwick) & Christian Yassmin (Sydney University) - 22
Most Points - Christian Kagiassis (Sydney University) - 228 pts
Colts 2
Most Tries - Kirt Anthony (Gordon) - 16
Most Points - Kirt Anthony (Gordon) - 182 pts
Colts 3
Most Tries - Patrick Muller (Sydney University) - 17
Most Points - David Balcomb (Gordon) - 108 pts
(A few score sheets are not on the web site yet)
In the meantime, try these:
Colts 1
Most Tries - Matthew Crafts (Randwick) & Christian Yassmin (Sydney University) - 22
Most Points - Christian Kagiassis (Sydney University) - 228 pts
Colts 2
Most Tries - Kirt Anthony (Gordon) - 16
Most Points - Kirt Anthony (Gordon) - 182 pts
Colts 3
Most Tries - Patrick Muller (Sydney University) - 17
Most Points - David Balcomb (Gordon) - 108 pts
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Finals Games (confirmed as per NSW RU Web site)
Forshaw Park - Saturday
3:00 pm Randwick (1) vs Eastwood (6) - Colts 1
1:10 pm Sydney University (2) vs Gordon (5) - Colts 1
11:30 am Sydney University (1) vs Eastern Suburbs (6) - Colts 2
10:00 am Randwick (1) vs West Harbour (6) - Colts 3
10:00 am Sydney University (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Colts 3 (Oval 2)
Chatswood Oval - Sunday
3:00 pm Eastern Surburbs (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Colts 1
1:10 pm Randwick (2) vs Southern Districts (5) - Colts 2
11:30 am Northern Suburbs (3) vs Gordon (4) - Colts 2
10:00 am Gordon (2) vs Southern Districts (5) - Colts 3
Good Luck to all teams.
Next weeks games are:
Highest Ranked Winner vs Highest Ranked Loser
2nd Ranked Winner vs 3rd Ranked Winner
Typically this could be 1 v 4 and 2 v 3
but if 6 upsets 1 in the first week then it will be 2 v 1 and 3 v 6
Forshaw Park - Saturday
3:00 pm Randwick (1) vs Eastwood (6) - Colts 1
1:10 pm Sydney University (2) vs Gordon (5) - Colts 1
11:30 am Sydney University (1) vs Eastern Suburbs (6) - Colts 2
10:00 am Randwick (1) vs West Harbour (6) - Colts 3
10:00 am Sydney University (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Colts 3 (Oval 2)
Chatswood Oval - Sunday
3:00 pm Eastern Surburbs (3) vs Northern Suburbs (4) - Colts 1
1:10 pm Randwick (2) vs Southern Districts (5) - Colts 2
11:30 am Northern Suburbs (3) vs Gordon (4) - Colts 2
10:00 am Gordon (2) vs Southern Districts (5) - Colts 3
Good Luck to all teams.
Next weeks games are:
Highest Ranked Winner vs Highest Ranked Loser
2nd Ranked Winner vs 3rd Ranked Winner
Typically this could be 1 v 4 and 2 v 3
but if 6 upsets 1 in the first week then it will be 2 v 1 and 3 v 6
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