Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
Do the football clubs take it seriously? As a casual observer I don't think I've ever heard about it, unlike say, the UEFA Champions League
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Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
They do not but that's because realistically the Champions League is the premier competition and the winner of that will almost always win the CWC.
I think this comp would (hopefully) be more analagous to the champs league.
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Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
Doesn't European rugby already have one of those?
Anyway, looking forward to the Reds having a bunch of 1am and 3am games, with the final being played at ridiculous o'clock on a Monday morning, with no-one in Australia watching
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
True it does, but I would expect the Kiwi sides to be at the top of that competition regularly should they be involved.
Dctarget
Tim Horan (67)
I think the NH teams will be in for a rude shock from the kiwi sides. Maybe maybe Leinster and Toulouse/La Rochelle will hold their own but the rest are in trouble.
Ignoto
Peter Sullivan (51)
They’re doing a new format from next year. Even if it’s a Mickey Mouse competition, the money is not;
“The total prize money is around €2.5bn and an initial €2bn will be distributed among the 32 teams that book their plane tickets to the USA. Qualification therefore brings €50m as a minimum, while there will be other results-based bonuses and the winner will receive around €100m.”
Wilson
Phil Kearns (64)
Raises interesting questions around the funding breakdown for the rugby equivalent. Northern hemisphere teams with their private owners would want individual team funding, but with everything managed by the national unions down here it's likely they'd want to direct funding through RA and NZRU to spread the love a bit. Anything else could end up being pretty destabilising for a comp that is already unbalanced and without a consistent salary cap or levelling measures.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Football money is otherworldly - but I am not convinced that's a good thing. Football at the top echelons is horribly predictable most of the time (across competitions - higher chance of one off upsets).
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
This is where the IRFU model works; things like prize money/participation fees for the European Championship are pooled by the IRFU and distributed across all the clubs. RA should adopt the same approach.
Ignoto
Peter Sullivan (51)
Sure that’s definitely a worry. At the same time, has Super Rugby thanks to the Crusaders or International rugby thanks to the All Blacks over the last 20 years been any better?
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
I would argue that the gap between the teams has reduced but the ultimate result is still more or less ABs or Springboks win.
hoggy
Nev Cottrell (35)
Not to mention the season here has to start early February that year, nothing like a February game of Rugby Suncorp in 100% humidity and the small issue of the other 6 Super Rugby teams who's business model that year will run for 4 months, with mad Monday in June.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
I think every 4 years is all we can expect or hope for at this tage, and I will be watching it. The trouble with having it more often is probably how much it buggers up other comps, and WC years and Lions tour years would be pretty difficult.
And in anyway comparing it so soccer doesn't work, Realistically you can play a couple of games a week in soccer, and the complexity of rugby, you need teams to have good traing runs etc for each individual team they paly.
And in anyway comparing it so soccer doesn't work, Realistically you can play a couple of games a week in soccer, and the complexity of rugby, you need teams to have good traing runs etc for each individual team they paly.
hoggy
Nev Cottrell (35)
Analysis: What's going on with rugby in New Zealand?
Super Rugby went missing at the weekend, and the players are ready for a fight with NZ Rugby. The game is at a crossroads, writes Patrick McKendry.
dru
David Wilson (68)
Analysis: What's going on with rugby in New Zealand?
Super Rugby went missing at the weekend, and the players are ready for a fight with NZ Rugby. The game is at a crossroads, writes Patrick McKendry.www.1news.co.nz
This is not good on a number of evels. How solid is the reporting media?
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
Throw in a potential new NRL team in Christchurch and NZRU will start to feel similar pressure to what the RA have faced for decades.Analysis: What's going on with rugby in New Zealand?
Super Rugby went missing at the weekend, and the players are ready for a fight with NZ Rugby. The game is at a crossroads, writes Patrick McKendry.
Might be enough to actually trigger a real decision of overhauling what professional rugby in Oceania looks like
hoggy
Nev Cottrell (35)
It does mirror Australia somewhat, in nz where an independent review showed the board not fit to run a professional sport and needed to be replaced, yet the board has chosen not to implicate that recommendation, RA anyone.
My whole point about Super Rugby compared to the NRL/AFL is those competitions are essentially business models, that model drives growth, improvements, corrects mistakes, they are better business's simple.???
Rugby Union is a sport run by a committee, with varying levels of self interest so unable to adjust or stop the decline in front of it.
Hence the train wreck that is Super Rugby.
My whole point about Super Rugby compared to the NRL/AFL is those competitions are essentially business models, that model drives growth, improvements, corrects mistakes, they are better business's simple.???
Rugby Union is a sport run by a committee, with varying levels of self interest so unable to adjust or stop the decline in front of it.
Hence the train wreck that is Super Rugby.
dru
David Wilson (68)
I think it's worse than that hoggy. I would hope that at least that self interest met a minimal of management in support of the grass roots, even if at the detriment of the professional game. I'm unconvinced that has been the case.
We find ourselves in a position where survival may, at least in the interim, see all elements pulling together.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Actually the $1.8 mill is not from all provinces etc, it's total that is being scaled down as some were getting extra payments after floods for last couple of years, and NZR are paying $3mill to gov't that PUs got from covid payments. So it's actually more money going out.
But the governance thing has been bubbling along for a while. the report they got done suggested that it should be run by a complete seperate board, and PUs aren't keen on letting go of their say. Nichols from RUPA wants all recommendations taken as written, but obviously the provincial unuions still want some say. I kind of torn betwixt and between who is right, any time it discussed you end up with arguments of who owns the game tc. I leaving it to smarter people than me to work out.
On the reporter that wrote article, I can honestly say I have no idea , as this is first time I have noticed his name, but then again I ignore the Herald as a newspaper, kind of sensationist for me.
But the governance thing has been bubbling along for a while. the report they got done suggested that it should be run by a complete seperate board, and PUs aren't keen on letting go of their say. Nichols from RUPA wants all recommendations taken as written, but obviously the provincial unuions still want some say. I kind of torn betwixt and between who is right, any time it discussed you end up with arguments of who owns the game tc. I leaving it to smarter people than me to work out.
On the reporter that wrote article, I can honestly say I have no idea , as this is first time I have noticed his name, but then again I ignore the Herald as a newspaper, kind of sensationist for me.