Super Rugby 2024 General Chat
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Marce
Greg Davis (50)
Maybe with less Kiwis sides. Like 8 Kiwis sides and 4 Aussies. One of the reasons why the NRL is so succesful is cause the strong market (Australia) pay the salaries of most of the Kiwis who play in the competition. Meanwhile in Super Rugby the strong partner (NZRU) just takes care about their nationals. It's not a fair market
Just like the NRC
That could be good in the short. That's what happens with the Aussies. The best athletes play at the NRL or AFL. If the best Kiwis talents (Super Rugby players) go to the NRL you would have a more competitive tournament between Aussies and Kiwis. The bad thing is that the national teams would down their level. This isn't a problem for Australia cause is what's happening nowadays but would be a problem for the ABs. But in the long term, with a more equal competition you would get more spectators, viewerships and investing
PhilClinton
Geoff Shaw (53)
I do think having Aussie's and Kiwi's playing across all Super Rugby teams but still being eligible for their national teams is something which seriously needs to be considered by the respective governing bodies if they want SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) to continue as a viable product.
It would take a while for local fans to get around but I think the long term benefits are there for the product.
It would take a while for local fans to get around but I think the long term benefits are there for the product.
Strewthcobber
Andrew Slack (58)
Dan54
Tim Horan (67)
I would of been incredibly surprised if it wasn't sold out For all the worries etc the battle of the Bombays on top of a final would get a few salivating. All in all there has been some bloody good rugby so far. I know bloody sure I would of been there if I was anyhere near the place.
Marce
Greg Davis (50)
That's what I'm saying. That's one of the reasons why the NRL is more succesful than Super Rugby. The big brother help to the younger. Sadly I can't see that kind of attitude from the big brother of RA.
If you look at the Kiwis starting XIII, most of their players live and earn money in Australia
Dan54
Tim Horan (67)
Well I see on Roar there was a podcast that was quoted where the Chair of Super rugby halfheartedly suggested that ABs should be able to play for Aussie teams, as a number has suggested on here.
The outrage, they suddenly remembered it would mean Aus super teams paying for top NZ players to be available for ABs!!!
See the quandary of any ideas?
The outrage, they suddenly remembered it would mean Aus super teams paying for top NZ players to be available for ABs!!!
See the quandary of any ideas?
KevinO
Geoff Shaw (53)
Why is paying the top NZ players to be available for AB a problem? It's not like your signing someone from Europe who could actually have to return for 6N for example. Your signing a player who will be available for all of Super Rugby. Both bodies just need to set dates for national camps etc that are the same to limit the interference to clubs.
Strewthcobber
Andrew Slack (58)
I can't imagine Australian Super Rugby teams being able to afford All Blacks. I can imagine the last 5 players in Australian squads being all from NZ
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
I’m guessing they just meant Kiwis in general but inflated it by referring to them as All Blacks. Every kiwi I ever met through rugby was an all black triallist anyway
PhilClinton
Geoff Shaw (53)
I think a cross signing model only works if we can get ABs playing for Aussie franchises.
No local fan knows or cares about the fringe blokes from NZ. It needs to be household (well at least rugby house hold) names turning out for the teams.
At the end of the day, none of it matters until RA become clearer on what their potential domestic model looks like. Agree with comments above that I can't see RA wanting to fork out cash for ABs to play in Oz unless the plan is to totally revamp and re-energise the current SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) model.
Strewthcobber
Andrew Slack (58)
Did the Reds get a significant bump from All Black Alex Hodgman? I guess theoretically, due to a bit of an improvement in performance, but I'd say not at all due to profile.
There's not even that many All Blacks that Super Rugby teams could sign that would move the needle much
There's not even that many All Blacks that Super Rugby teams could sign that would move the needle much
Derpus
George Gregan (70)
Not saying it will work because I don't think it will but isn't it more about creating depth? I think most Aussie teams have a fairly competitive first 15 but it usually falls off pretty dramatically after that.
If you can still make the ABs by making a name for yourself at the Reds then in theory more people will be willing to move there to play, thereby creating more depth.
I think realistically no player with AB ambitions would voluntarily choose to eschew the superior training and development on offer in NZ without being paid overs - and we don't have cash for that (the lack of cash being the primary issue).
ALSO I think a few key All Blacks would dramatically improve the Reds - who have a pretty rounded squad already. Someone like Mo'unga or McKenzie would make a huge difference. The kind of signing that takes a team from competitive at the top end to genuine challenger.
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PhilClinton
Geoff Shaw (53)
By all reports Hodgman and JTA have been the two best new squad acquisitions for the Reds.
JTA in particular is a glue guy in the sheds and popular with the fan base. He is also running around at club rugby and made his club team (who suck) legitimately better last week and moved that needle in terms of fan engagement.
Imagine a world where Ardie Savea or Damian McKenzie play one or two games for a QPR or Shute Shield side before or after SRP (Super Rugby Pacific). The club house would run out of tins it would be so busy.
Adam84
Phil Kearns (64)
In terms of profile, there's maybe 5-6 All Blacks who would drive a genuine increase in interest/crowds at the Reds, even then it would only be small bumps, the current AB's don't exactly have big profiles in Australia.
The real value in signing any quality test or even Super Rugby player is the boost to the team's performance, improved competitivness and actually winning games.
The real value in signing any quality test or even Super Rugby player is the boost to the team's performance, improved competitivness and actually winning games.
PhilClinton
Geoff Shaw (53)
Or maybe we could sign another Goromaru!
LeCheese
Jim Lenehan (48)
This feels like a fever dream
Dan54
Tim Horan (67)
I agree Strewth, 1 or 2 players won't make a huge difference. Just the whole argument I thought was slightly missing the point.