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Seems as though there is wide-spread concern about the Tahs and Refs.
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/blues-take-aim-at-aussie-super-14-refs-20100401-rhap.html
Bues coach Pat Lam has aired his concerns at the influence of two referees assistants in his team's Super 14 clash with the NSW Waratahs.
The Blues were frustrated with rookie New Zealand referee Garratt Williamson during their 39-32 loss in Sydney last Saturday, believing he was overly influenced by Australian touchline assistants Paul Marks and James Leckie.
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/blues-take-aim-at-aussie-super-14-refs-20100401-rhap.html
Bues coach Pat Lam has aired his concerns at the influence of two referees assistants in his team's Super 14 clash with the NSW Waratahs.
The Blues were frustrated with rookie New Zealand referee Garratt Williamson during their 39-32 loss in Sydney last Saturday, believing he was overly influenced by Australian touchline assistants Paul Marks and James Leckie.
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You claim Walsh got "both" decisions right. :
Thanks for proving my point - I would suggest you need the arm band. How do you feel about Kaplan?
Thanks for proving my point - I would suggest you need the arm band. How do you feel about Kaplan?
Spook said:You claim Walsh got "both" decisions right. :
:nta: so when a player is tackled and his knees hit the ground, he can either just get up and continue running or just crawl along the ground under your understanding of the rules?
How do you define when a player is tackled in a world when the tackler has to roll away immediately?
My understanding is that Hoiles should have released the ball, stood up, picked up the ball and continued running and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) should set up his outside instead of getting tackled and choosing to crawl along the ground instead of placing the ball.
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Dave Cowper (27)
Spook said:
That article was published on April 1. Obviously the NZPAa attempt at an April Fools Joke.
the gambler
Dave Cowper (27)
fatprop said:Spook said:You claim Walsh got "both" decisions right. :
:nta: so when a player is tackled and his knees hit the ground, he can either just get up and continue running or just crawl along the ground under your understanding of the rules?
How do you define when a player is tackled in a world when the tackler has to roll away immediately?
My understanding is that Hoiles should have released the ball, stood up, picked up the ball and continued running and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) should set up his outside instead of getting tackled and choosing to crawl along the ground instead of placing the ball.
I can understand brumby frustrations but I think he got both calls right.
Brumby Jack
Steve Williams (59)
If the call regarding the no try came from the AR, maybe the AR in question was fatigued from refereeing a Sydney club game earlier in the day and his judgment clouded.... :fishing
Indeed he did, propheticBiffo said:
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/forum/index.php/topic,10176.0.html
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
There are a lot of inconsistencies in adjudicating on goal line tries or would be tries and some of them involve crawling.
Al Baxter's only try in Super rugby was illegal as was the try by the Cheetahs guy later in the game as IMO he pushed the ball along the ground instead of placing it.
I thought a penalty try should have been awarded to Turner in Round 1 because A. Finger landed on top of him when he was on the ground sliding towards the goal line when AF was trying to lift him into touch on the slide - and with his momentum before the flop and his angle of run, did so. Take AF out of the equation and Turner scores - and ironically the Reds had been given a penalty try (correctly) a few minutes before. Some people said the law point I made at the time was correct but should not be enforced.
Just about every game has such incidents near the goal line and the Baxter ones are commonplace.
The AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) no-try is yet another incident and after I examined it forensically I think the officials got it right, though I think that they got it right accidentally.
I may have said elsewhere that Walsh was a poor ref but I mispoke. What I mean is that he has a poor habit of talking too much and that sometimes affects his performance . When players have a good attitude Walsh has no problem, but nor do other refs either. When one of the captains in a game which has bad attitudes is confrontational towards Walsh he is always going to come off 2nd best because Walsh's will get his feathers ruffled.
Waugh knows referees and played him like a violin. Smit can do the same. These two blokes, and some others we could name, are more valuable for the team than the measure of their play itself would indicate.
PS Moses - thanks for that video on the blog.
Al Baxter's only try in Super rugby was illegal as was the try by the Cheetahs guy later in the game as IMO he pushed the ball along the ground instead of placing it.
I thought a penalty try should have been awarded to Turner in Round 1 because A. Finger landed on top of him when he was on the ground sliding towards the goal line when AF was trying to lift him into touch on the slide - and with his momentum before the flop and his angle of run, did so. Take AF out of the equation and Turner scores - and ironically the Reds had been given a penalty try (correctly) a few minutes before. Some people said the law point I made at the time was correct but should not be enforced.
Just about every game has such incidents near the goal line and the Baxter ones are commonplace.
The AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) no-try is yet another incident and after I examined it forensically I think the officials got it right, though I think that they got it right accidentally.
I may have said elsewhere that Walsh was a poor ref but I mispoke. What I mean is that he has a poor habit of talking too much and that sometimes affects his performance . When players have a good attitude Walsh has no problem, but nor do other refs either. When one of the captains in a game which has bad attitudes is confrontational towards Walsh he is always going to come off 2nd best because Walsh's will get his feathers ruffled.
Waugh knows referees and played him like a violin. Smit can do the same. These two blokes, and some others we could name, are more valuable for the team than the measure of their play itself would indicate.
PS Moses - thanks for that video on the blog.
Scotty
David Codey (61)
I also thought Baxter's try was illegal and brought it up after the game.
As a neutral I viewed AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) try as also illegal, but I thought Hoiles was well within his right to get up and keep running. He was not held when he touched the ground, so a tackle wasn't affected. Doesn't excuse his mouthing off though, which cost his team 3 points.
As a neutral I viewed AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) try as also illegal, but I thought Hoiles was well within his right to get up and keep running. He was not held when he touched the ground, so a tackle wasn't affected. Doesn't excuse his mouthing off though, which cost his team 3 points.
the gambler
Dave Cowper (27)
Scotty said:
I was of the understanding that it is irrelevant if a player is being held or not. However this is often not enforced.
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