Steve Walsh

[Scarfman]

Guys, don't you think Walsh lost it, though? I agree with Bray that he needs to work on his game management. Whether that means being dropped for a week or two, I don't know. If it happens to a few more Kiwi refs, especially Bryce Lawrence, then I'll believe that this process is working.

 

[Tiger]

I agree Walsh lost it in how he managed the game.

The problem is that we don't know whether the process of relegating referees is working because some members of the Brumbies got their cranky pants on about it. If Walsh had been removed without that external pressure then it would be an example of the process working. Now that Walsh has been removed after all this controversy, it's hard to tell if he's been relegated on merit under the system or because of the Brumbies' complaints.

The Brumbies would have been better served, I think, simply by sending a polite letter to Bray expressing their concerns for him to take into account in assessing Walsh's performance.

 

[Blue]

Guys, don't you think Walsh lost it, though? I agree with Bray that he needs to work on his game management. Whether that means being dropped for a week or two, I don't know. If it happens to a few more Kiwi refs, especially Bryce Lawrence, then I'll believe that this process is working.

Oh he totally lost control. But my argument is that Hoiles deserves a spank for the way he reacted.

 

[cyclopath]

Personally, I think any and all of us who have (rightly or wrongly) given it to the Saffers for this type of referee "retribution" owe them an apology. This kind of behaviour sets a very bad precedent. How long before we have systematic white-anting of refs from coaches, players, club officials after every match where they feel they got a dud call or two. Skippers could start at the half-time interview, then update their whinge at full time. All the decent refs will end up as TMOs on probation because they got some calls wrong. Maybe the refs could start calling for clubs to bench dickheads like Hoiles for a week for behaving like an 8 year old?

I realise I am, to a point, hypocritical as I have been known to bollock a ref or 3 (especially on the blog), which is standard internet forum behaviour. But coming from the teams / players through the mass media, and getting refs actually sacked is bullshit. People like Pat Lam, Giteau et al should be put on notice.

 

[TheRiddler]

Oh he totally lost control. But my argument is that Hoiles deserves a spank for the way he reacted.

Lets hope he gets one this weekend. My money is on Braid, S Faainga or Higgers to be the spankers - hopefully all three at once putting his sorry arse back to last week.

 

[PaarlBok]

Personally, I think any and all of us who have (rightly or wrongly) given it to the Saffers for this type of referee "retribution" owe them an apology. This kind of behaviour sets a very bad precedent. How long before we have systematic white-anting of refs from coaches, players, club officials after every match where they feel they got a dud call or two. Skippers could start at the half-time interview, then update their whinge at full time. All the decent refs will end up as TMOs on probation because they got some calls wrong. Maybe the refs could start calling for clubs to bench dickheads like Hoiles for a week for behaving like an 8 year old?

I realise I am, to a point, hypocritical as I have been known to bollock a ref or 3 (especially on the blog), which is standard internet forum behaviour. But coming from the teams / players through the mass media, and getting refs actually sacked is bullshit. People like Pat Lam, Giteau et al should be put on notice.

Dankie Cyc, you are on the right track, where will Walsh go from here? :

Who will be the refs for round 12?

 

[Scotty]

Personally, I think any and all of us who have (rightly or wrongly) given it to the Saffers for this type of referee "retribution" owe them an apology. This kind of behaviour sets a very bad precedent. How long before we have systematic white-anting of refs from coaches, players, club officials after every match where they feel they got a dud call or two. Skippers could start at the half-time interview, then update their whinge at full time. All the decent refs will end up as TMOs on probation because they got some calls wrong. Maybe the refs could start calling for clubs to bench dickheads like Hoiles for a week for behaving like an 8 year old?

I realise I am, to a point, hypocritical as I have been known to bollock a ref or 3 (especially on the blog), which is standard internet forum behaviour. But coming from the teams / players through the mass media, and getting refs actually sacked is bullshit. People like Pat Lam, Giteau et al should be put on notice.

Dankie Cyc, you are on the right track, where will Walsh go from here? :

Who will be the refs for round 12?

Better ask Matt Giteau, seems he is the one that decides who he is going to play under.

 

[Spook]

While Bray identified areas of Walsh's performance in Sydney which were questionable -- namely his control of the scrums and his player management -- he fully backed the decision to disallow the try.

When you review the try, (the Brumbies player) is actually about four-and-half metres short when he lands in the tackle, he's rotated once which is fine, that's momentum, and then in order to get across the goal line, he's got to get off his knees and actually launch over the tackler to force the ball," Bray said

So Bray agrees with Lee et al on the try. I still think it was a try but this is the official position and one has to take it on the chin - there was/is doubt so the attacking team should be favoured - this is problem area in rugby. Bray acknowledges that Walsh was generally shit though. No mention of the Hoiles non-tackle

Bray does say Walsh was not demoted though and that controversy was the main issue. Not a good state of affairs. I'd say Walsh's history doesn't help - he has fucked up continually for years. Giteau was a muppet for saying what he did and deserves a big punishment.

 

[chief]

While Bray identified areas of Walsh's performance in Sydney which were questionable -- namely his control of the scrums and his player management -- he fully backed the decision to disallow the try.

When you review the try, (the Brumbies player) is actually about four-and-half metres short when he lands in the tackle, he's rotated once which is fine, that's momentum, and then in order to get across the goal line, he's got to get off his knees and actually launch over the tackler to force the ball," Bray said

So Bray agrees with Lee et al on the try. I still think it was a try but this is the official position and one has to take it on the chin - there was/is doubt so the attacking team should be favoured - this is problem area in rugby. Bray acknowledges that Walsh was generally shit though. No mention of the Hoiles non-tackle

Bray does say Walsh was not demoted though and that controversy was the main issue. Not a good state of affairs. I'd say Walsh's history doesn't help - he has fucked up continually for years. Giteau was a muppet for saying what he did and deserves a big punishment.

Getting it out there, almost every referee this year but Stu Dickinson has had some sort of controversy around them.

Kaplan had the Hurricanes match where he awarded an obstruction try, and the quick line out
Mark Lawrence- decided to take a Brumby out of the way so the opposition could score
Bryce Lawrence- England V France
Craig Joubert- Tahs v Saders
Stu Dickers- Nothing

Stu for the final

 

[Hawko]

While Bray identified areas of Walsh's performance in Sydney which were questionable -- namely his control of the scrums and his player management -- he fully backed the decision to disallow the try.

When you review the try, (the Brumbies player) is actually about four-and-half metres short when he lands in the tackle, he's rotated once which is fine, that's momentum, and then in order to get across the goal line, he's got to get off his knees and actually launch over the tackler to force the ball," Bray said

So Bray agrees with Lee et al on the try. I still think it was a try but this is the official position and one has to take it on the chin - there was/is doubt so the attacking team should be favoured - this is problem area in rugby. Bray acknowledges that Walsh was generally shit though. No mention of the Hoiles non-tackle

Bray does say Walsh was not demoted though and that controversy was the main issue. Not a good state of affairs. I'd say Walsh's history doesn't help - he has fucked up continually for years. Giteau was a muppet for saying what he did and deserves a big punishment.

Getting it out there, almost every referee this year but Stu Dickinson has had some sort of controversy around them.

Kaplan had the Hurricanes match where he awarded an obstruction try, and the quick line out
Mark Lawrence- decided to take a Brumby out of the way so the opposition could score
Bryce Lawrence- England V France
Craig Joubert- Tahs v Saders
Stu Dickers- Nothing

Stu for the final

If controversy is going to decide who refs who then the Tahs will never get Kaplan again???

 

[Biffo]

If controversy is going to decide who refs who then the Tahs will never get Kaplan again???

Now that the price has been set, I am sure the Tah supporters will be willing to pay up AUD 75,000 per season to be without Kaplan.

 

[Blue]

Bray does say Walsh was not demoted though and that controversy was the main issue. Not a good state of affairs. I'd say Walsh's history doesn't help - he has fucked up continually for years. Giteau was a muppet for saying what he did and deserves a big punishment.

So as soon as there's some chance of controversy in future are they also going to juggle the refs? It sets a precedent. I don't like it at all. If you canlt expect Walsh to step up and ref the game in a professional and unbiased manner then fire him. Else back him.

This episode and the constant pro-Brumby drivel and little digs from J Paul is starting to get on my tits abotu the Ponies, but I'll stop short of calling them the little inbred rugby family from Canberra. :fishing

 

[Spook]

Bray does say Walsh was not demoted though and that controversy was the main issue. Not a good state of affairs. I'd say Walsh's history doesn't help - he has fucked up continually for years. Giteau was a muppet for saying what he did and deserves a big punishment.

So as soon as there's some chance of controversy in future are they also going to juggle the refs? It sets a precedent. I don't like it at all. If you canlt expect Walsh to step up and ref the game in a professional and unbiased manner then fire him. Else back him.

This episode and the constant pro-Brumby drivel and little digs from J Paul is starting to get on my tits abotu the Ponies, but I'll stop short of calling them the little inbred rugby family from Canberra. :fishing

Ignore Paul. Plenty of anti-Brumby spite on this board to balance out your views. I don't like the controversy factor either.