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Bill McLean (32)
Anh's show the other night was brilliant!
State of the Union (origin) discussion
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Bobby Sands
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Letting people not from QLD/NSW play this fixture would top the cake of Australian rugby snatching defeat from the jaws of relevance.
Rugbynutter39
Michael Lynagh (62)
Just looked at state of union team lists for nsw and qld in telegraph which apparently provided by RA if picked it today. Pretty enticing teams trading off.
Was on the fence but I really think will be huge hit as finally chance to see home grown players (closer than current nsw and qld teams) play for their state and create good rivalry. I can’t see how most rugby fans would not be interested to watch this - reflecting also would have players from brumbies, force and rebels. Just my thoughts
Was on the fence but I really think will be huge hit as finally chance to see home grown players (closer than current nsw and qld teams) play for their state and create good rivalry. I can’t see how most rugby fans would not be interested to watch this - reflecting also would have players from brumbies, force and rebels. Just my thoughts
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Bobby Sands
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If Harry Wilson plays for NSW this whole thing is stuffed.
Has played every rep team he has ever been in for QLD, moved from Gunnedah when he was like 10.
Say's he will never leave the Reds etc.
Same too, Will Harris. Bloke was born in North QLD but is obviously from Sydney.
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Peter Johnson (47)
I fear a QLD V NSW state of union may actually be the proverbial straw for many supporters and the perception of the public. Simply put, albeit based on circumstantial evidence, the the game simply caters for 3 unions, NSW, QLD, and the necessary remaining bits. If the past actions in relation to the Force, which are still publicly resonating were not enough of a indication of how to shoot yourself in the foot, what will it take?
The Honey Badger
Jim Lenehan (48)
I am actually quite sure the players get a SOU Cap or something.
But I really dont get what you are saying. You are a purist and somehow think by letting non qualifying players into what should be THE SINGLE BIGGEST DOMESTIC RUGBY MATCH PLAYED IN AUS somehow devalues it.
I happen to think by not letting them in, that devalues it more.
If reports are correct RA thinks along my lines and have a pathway in for non NSW & QLD players - so little point arguing it.
get on and support it.
The Honey Badger
Jim Lenehan (48)
who did he paint?
The Honey Badger
Jim Lenehan (48)
can you copy and paste the teams
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
nah that's dumb.
That's like letting Zlatan Ibrahimovic play for Spain because not having him in the World Cup reduces the quality. Super dumbo.
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
From the published teams there are only 5 Tahs players in the NSW Origin 15 and 5 Reds players in the Qld origin 15. Although I am not an ardent supported of the concept, there is actually little resemblance between the origin sides and the Super sides, at least if being selected right now.
EDIT : there are 5 Brumbies in the NSW side and 4 in the Qold side. Don't know which team I would barrack for. Perhaps just the Wallabies.
EDIT : there are 5 Brumbies in the NSW side and 4 in the Qold side. Don't know which team I would barrack for. Perhaps just the Wallabies.
Rugbynutter39
Michael Lynagh (62)
I would have thought we would follow nrl eligibility rules for orgin as they have had plenty of time to think it through - will never be perfect but nrl shows it can work to create a great rivalry. I should know as only league games I watch each year (and don’t watch nrl grand finals or league tests or club games ie only orgin games)
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Bob Loudon (25)
Alright lets follow your logic then
Let's open the flood gates and invite the best players in the world to play! Imagine Barrett running our for NSW or Itojie suiting up for Queensland it's THE SINGLE BIGGEST DOMESTIC RUGBY MATCH PLAYED IN AUS, why not open it up to the world, we'll get more viewers that wayand this idea wont devalue the concept at all, by not letting them play it devalues it
The Honey Badger
Jim Lenehan (48)
Barely warrants a response, Childish at best.
I did say Wallaby eligible players.
FYI, they do occasionally assemble a world 15 or a Barbarians side with stars from various countries - and yes a gimmick that pulls decent crowds and promotes rugby. Pretty much what we are trying to do for Australian players with SOU.
The Honey Badger
Jim Lenehan (48)
Well its a good thing it's RAs show and they can make the rules as they see fit. Its about the marketability and selling TV rights and earning money for the game.
RA are thinking we need all our stars playing for this to work, I happen to agree with them.
sendit
Bob Loudon (25)
Not at all, its following on from your line of logic - Better quality player, wider audience = more success
But why make it wallaby eligible? we didnt stop at NSW/QLD eligible? Why is the imaginary line set there?
Yea but extremely rarely is it 2 gimmick teams that play each other, if one is good surely 2 is better!
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Phil Kearns (64)
It might be worth revisiting the reason that SOO took off so quickly. In those far-off days, all the money and power in RL was concentrated in Sydney, television money and the poker machine palaces made sure of that. Any good young player who emerged in QLD would be poached to play in the Sydney comp and immediately became available for NSW.
The SOO concept righted this perceived injustice, and the first series was set on fire when the players showed that they were fair dinkum: lots of feeling and a fair bit of violence. Artie Beetson attacked his Parramatta team-mate Mick Cronin, and that was the start of the legend. State against state, mate against mate.
We can never, ever hope to generate the sort of emotion that was on show right from the start. Nor, I dare say, would we want to.
If this game, or series, is played, my hunch is that it won't survive very long, because it is an artificial concept. The League one is based in real historical injustice.
The SOO concept righted this perceived injustice, and the first series was set on fire when the players showed that they were fair dinkum: lots of feeling and a fair bit of violence. Artie Beetson attacked his Parramatta team-mate Mick Cronin, and that was the start of the legend. State against state, mate against mate.
We can never, ever hope to generate the sort of emotion that was on show right from the start. Nor, I dare say, would we want to.
If this game, or series, is played, my hunch is that it won't survive very long, because it is an artificial concept. The League one is based in real historical injustice.
The Honey Badger
Jim Lenehan (48)
Ok then, lets just call it Australia GREEN and Australia GOLD and drop any reference to NSW & QLD to placate the Purists.
Having team colours, remember doing that with my kids in Under 8's. That way, no one alienated and they can all feel special.
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
From the published teams there are only 5 Tahs players in the NSW Origin 15 and 5 Reds players in the Qld origin 15. Although I am not an ardent supported of the concept, there is actually little resemblance between the origin sides and the Super sides, at least if being selected right now.
EDIT : there are 5 Brumbies in the NSW side and 4 in the Qold side. Don't know which team I would barrack for. Perhaps just the Wallabies.
Canberra is technically in the middle of NSW if you need some guidance