Springbokke vs Wallabies @ Osfontein 30/9/2017

[Sully]

Dempsey had one run for four metres with one defender beaten. One pass. Seven tackles with no misses. I don't have any ruck stats but hopefully, forcefan will do this game. But I notice a fair bit of attacking ruck work from him.

 

[TSR]

I'm a bit the same Barbar - hard to be conclusive on him. But with the lack of other in-form options in happy to see him get another crack.

I didn't notice so much vs SA, but what I liked about him against the Argies was
how he really tried to accelerate through holes between defenders.

 

[dru]

I would put Hunt into the 12 jersey, Beale can go to the finishers.

Or to first fly.

 

[Quick Hands]

They are pretty different balls, that is the only reason I can think of that our players mostly cannot kick the bloody thing, whereas AFL players can kick theirs a mile, and straight as a die.


Plus, of course, their kids start kicking as soon as they can crawl.


But surely, surely, our best backs can learn to kick. Surely?


The only rational explanation is the Chubby is a Randwick boy, through and through, and Randwick boys do not kick, and do not believe in kicking.

Although Knoxy, Campo and the Ella brothers could and did kick well and regularly.

 

[dru]

Let's change the subject.

Thoughts on Dempsey? He didn't really stand out to me, but he didn't do a lot wrong either. Has a bit more physical presence about him, and gets over the ball more than Hanigan did.

I'll reserve judgement until we see him again. But he showed enough in his first start to earn another crack.

Finally caught up with the game after a weekend camping.

Barbarian, I’ve been cogitating that forward performance. Didnt seem great, but it did seem workmanlike. I dont think, other than Hooper, anyone stands out with a particularly solid game. But as a pack, it kind of worked. A robust eight. No robust forteen.

Dempsey was part of that and deserves recognition.

For me, I have to say the same about Hanigan, Robertson and Simmo. Others need to accept Moore. We could use some remarkable individual performances, but we call it a “pack” for a reason. The Pack was better than OK.

 

[barbarian]

I just watched the game again, and my main takeaway was how good our defence was.

I have no idea how we held them out in the last 15 minutes, we just kept making hit after hit. Kuridrani made a huge hit which arguably saved a try, and Korobeite was flying around like a madman. The forwards all did their part as well.

I just wonder how differently our season would be viewed if it wasn't for 60 minutes of madness in Sydney.......

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Let's change the subject.

Thoughts on Dempsey? He didn't really stand out to me, but he didn't do a lot wrong either. Has a bit more physical presence about him, and gets over the ball more than Hanigan did.

I'll reserve judgement until we see him again. But he showed enough in his first start to earn another crack.

His claim to the jersey was helped massively by the missed clean outs when Hanigan came on

 

[Braveheart81]

Hangian keeps getting too close to the ball carrier which means he is too close to get an effective hit and clean out on the defender.

It's the sort of positioning that can work if the ball carrier is trying to stay on their feet and drive forward but that isn't what we're doing and it is causing him to put in an ineffective clean out which both doesn't remove the defender and gets in the way of anyone else arriving making the clean out.



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[Derpus]

Let's change the subject.

Thoughts on Dempsey? He didn't really stand out to me, but he didn't do a lot wrong either. Has a bit more physical presence about him, and gets over the ball more than Hanigan did.

I'll reserve judgement until we see him again. But he showed enough in his first start to earn another crack.

Hanigan was so terrible that Dempsey should start by default. I'm pretty sure i saw Hanigan attempt to make a tackle and actually do a better job dislodging a fellow defender. He was decent in the first few games but he's regressing now.

 

[Derpus]

I just watched the game again, and my main takeaway was how good our defence was.

I have no idea how we held them out in the last 15 minutes, we just kept making hit after hit. Kuridrani made a huge hit which arguably saved a try, and Korobeite was flying around like a madman. The forwards all did their part as well.

I just wonder how differently our season would be viewed if it wasn't for 60 minutes of madness in Sydney...

Koroibete was really exceptional in my opinion.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Koroibete was really exceptional in my opinion.

badly out of position on the first SA kick. But what do you expect? he knew it wouldn't be a 40/20 and it wasn't the 6th.
I gave him points

 

[RoffsChoice]

Dempsey didn't let us down in a good team showing. I'd say that justifies another go in Argentina.
Same for Rodda. I wasn't a fan of picking him ahead of Arnold, but he played well and I'd like some consistency in lock selection.

 

[TSR]

I know Hanigan played a bit last year, but this is his first year playing all season, isn't it? It is pretty normal for young guys to struggle as the season goes on with them not being used to handling the workload.

I hope he gets left home for the EOYT to have a break and a decent off season. He has genuine potential and has a good work rate. He just needs to work on his technique and physicality.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Dempsey didn't let us down in a good team showing. I'd say that justifies another go in Argentina.
Same for Rodda. I wasn't a fan of picking him ahead of Arnold, but he played well and I'd like some consistency in lock selection.

they send Arnold home? If anything sums up Simmons' role it was that kick off he couldn't be stuffed trying to take.

 

[KAOPointman]

Hangian keeps getting too close to the ball carrier which means he is too close to get an effective hit and clean out on the defender.

It's the sort of positioning that can work if the ball carrier is trying to stay on their feet and drive forward but that isn't what we're doing and it is causing him to put in an ineffective clean out which both doesn't remove the defender and gets in the way of anyone else arriving making the clean out.



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Agreed, which then takes him out of the equation for an offload. He's too green atm....he needs to be at the level where his descisions are instinctive, if the ball carrier is running into 2 good defenders...push in close, if they're a skilled back with potential space....ready for an offload, and if it's your general situation he needs to be 1 step more patient so his clean out can be timed better. Enthusiasm and aggression still needs timing and he needs this coached into him to finish of his game skills!

I always wonder if the coaches ever sit down with the players and run through a myriad of situations to see and teach them their most useful approach to the situation...

 

[KAOPointman]

they send Arnold home? If anything sums up Simmons' role it was that kick off he couldn't be stuffed trying to take.

I know right.....that one failed reaction deffinately is a fair assessment on his game. :0.

 

[dru]

Hanigan was so terrible that Dempsey should start by default. I'm pretty sure i saw Hanigan attempt to make a tackle and actually do a better job dislodging a fellow defender. He was decent in the first few games but he's regressing now.

None of the forwards were terrible.

 

[Quick Hands]

None of the forwards were terrible.

None of the team were terrible. It's just those little errors which they all make (some more regularly than others). The disappointing thing is that many of these errors are either in the core skills of the game or the core skills for their position. There's also some glaring examples of lack of game awreness/positional play.

Broadly speaking these guys are the best that we have, so it's a frustrating experience watching it unfold. The positives are that we seem to now be match fit and that the players as individuals and as a team are putting in 100%.

I can't help but think that simple errors in fundamentals of the game point to structural issues within the game rather than the individuals concerned. (This is not to in any way minimise the responsibility of professional athletes to take it upon themselves to master the core skills required).

Imagine for example an elite level 400m freestyle swimmer unable to correctly execute a tumble turn, or a professional sprinter unable to use blocks or a professional darts player unable to hit triple 20 while holding a pint.

 

[Joe Blow]

Let's change the subject.

Thoughts on Dempsey? He didn't really stand out to me, but he didn't do a lot wrong either. Has a bit more physical presence about him, and gets over the ball more than Hanigan did.

I'll reserve judgement until we see him again. But he showed enough in his first start to earn another crack.

I thought he was largely ineffective at the coalface and that Hanigan contributed more when he came on. I doubt he is the answer or will play a big part for the Wallabies any time soon. The back row continues to be the problem area for Cheika.

 

[ACT Crusader]

I was/am extremely unhappy about Beale being included in the team (not because of his playing abilities). But purely looking at his form, benching him right now would be ludicrous. I think Hunt has a lot to offer but he can make his case from the bench.

That is of course unless Cheika wants to be bit experimental and put Folau on the wing and Hunt can go 15.

A backline of 9. Genia 10. Foley 11. Folau 12. Beale 13. TK 14. Koroibete 15. Hunt is pretty attractive right now.

I’d be more inclined to give Beale the space at fullback and Have Hunt closet to the action and in the line where he is a good defender and provides a robust running option. Beale’s defensive issues on the weekend were costly, but he is a much improved defender and what liabilities he offers at the back, are outweighed by what he brings in attack and positioning.

In saying all that I can’t see it happening. They are deep into the season now and Folau and Beale have played all their footy at fullback and 2nd 5 respectively.

Based on the selections this year, it seems Beale is the backup 1st 5 option. So is it more possible that if Hunt comes back into the 23 as a bench option, could the finishing be Beale at 1st and Hunt at 2nd?