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Springbok EOYT Squad

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PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
We have some excellent young up and coming midfielders like Jordaan (Sharks) Venter, Serfontein, Small Smith (Brutes). Ebersohn just seems to cant make the cut and Whitehead still have some time to go (de Allende the WP debutant showed him up to easy). I feel a bit negative regarding the Boke chance in this test. Dunno why but dont think they stand much of a winning chance in this test.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
I feel very nervous about this test. We have struggled in Dublin and with all the youngsters it will be very hard.

We'd smack the Irish in SA but in Dublin they are a different prospect.
 

whatty

Bob Loudon (25)
I agree the Irish will be tough with what is an unsettled squad and a even more unsettled and undecided tactic.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Sure dont like the direction Meyer is going with all the chicken running Bokke. Just have to give up on this.

Sport24
How Flo changed Meyer’s mind


2012-10-31 22:14


Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer
Cape Town - Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer admits he was “tentative” at first over the engagement of overseas-based players to bolster his plans, but the infusion recently of Francois Louw altered his thinking.

Speaking at a Bok media briefing here on Wednesday, ahead of the three-match northern hemisphere tour, Meyer said: “I can just see what a huge influence Francois has had on the team. I’d never worked with him before this; only seen his games.

“You only get a sense of a player once you’ve seen what he can bring to the table. It was a long shot then, and I think he’s one of the best open-siders in the world now.

“He’s really played well against (All Blacks captain) Richie McCaw in both (Castle Rugby Championship) games.”

Earlier, Bok team doctor Craig Roberts had confirmed that the news of Bath-based Louw’s neck injury a few days ago was positive, to the extent that he may even play for his English club this weekend before hooking up with the Boks for the Test against Ireland in Dublin on Saturday, November 10.

Since successfully calling up former Stormers and WP stalwart Louw, Meyer has also summoned hooker Schalk Brits (Saracens) and established Bok Gurthrö Steenkamp (Toulouse) to his squad for the end-of-year trip.

He added: “If you can introduce those sorts of players to the set-up and the culture they’re just much more positive and know what to expect. We’ve got a great vibe going in the group.

“I’ve worked with Gurthrö before and know what he can do when he’s fit; I haven’t worked with Schalk and he’s a fine impact player, and very experienced now - he left South Africa as a youngster.

“I’ll give them opportunity to fit into the team and I want a guy to be able to be long-term for us.

“(In terms of loosehead prop Steenkamp) you need big scrummagers, especially in Europe. I’ve coached there myself and in Europe every single scrum is a battle and they scrum for penalties, so if you don’t have a great big scrum going forward, you’ll struggle.”

The Bok coach also lifted the lid a little on his intentions for other players on tour.

Of rookie Cheetahs wing Raymond Rhule, 19, Meyer said: “I’ve always said I won’t just throw players to the wolves, I’ve always eased certain players in.

“I’ve never worked before with Raymond Rhule so before I just throw a player in I want to first see how mentally tough he is and see him train with the squad.

“It’s more a question of taking him with us and getting him used to the game-plan because I believe he could definitely play for us at the next World Cup.”

It probably suggests that versatile Francois Hougaard will, initially at least, retain his berth out wide on the park.

“At this stage I will probably mostly look at Francois as wing. At scrumhalf, in those conditions, Ruan (Pienaar) has good knowledge and has done well.”

Asked whether he felt Sharks favourite Patrick Lambie had done enough in the Currie Cup campaign to be a credible challenger for the Bok flyhalf spot, Meyer responded: “I have said to Patrick, and I’ve always been open with him, that if he wants to be a ten, especially as the next World Cup will be in England, he has to be able to kick tactically more. You need a tactical ten.

“But he has really improved and you can see he’s worked hard. He’ll definitely be a contender there. I think he’ll be a great ten going forward, but by saying that, after this year, I want to stick with two tens who I’ll know can be guys to play in a World Cup.”

Probed by Sport24 over whether he might consider switching Eben Etzebeth to the No 5 lock role, in order to be able to accommodate another bruising customer for the heavy European pitches like Flip van der Merwe in the starting line-up, Meyer said: “Flip has really played well this year and Eben been exceptional.

“In a sense you’d love to have two guys who really put in the grafting work; tough guys in overseas conditions.

“But the set-piece is also so important over there ... I’d love to play them together, so maybe off the bench (they could become allied).

“But to start them ... Eben has been brilliant (at four) but they haven’t called a lot of lineouts together, and it’s such a technical area these days, requiring a lot of preparation.

“I believe we will need a specialist five lock in those conditions. I did look at a guy like (Ulster-based) Johann Muller for the tour but he is also injured.

“We did consider Bakkies (Botha), and I’ve coached him since he was 19, but Victor (Matfield) was mostly the guy who organised the lineouts, with Bakkies purely the enforcer.

“If you have Bakkies there, who do you move to five? Bakkies is also not really a guy for a bench role. If we get an injury at four, Bakkies would be the standby man. But for No 5 we’ve also looked at Marco Wentzel, the top lineout taker in the Premiership, been in contact with him, and he’s on standby.”
What message is he sending out? Vokket.
 

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Andrew Slack (58)
One the one hand you sing Flouw's praises just .

On the other hand you cry about other overseas players.

You can't have your cake and eat it.

Tell me know you aren't happy to see Flo running around in green. He has been immense.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
One the one hand you sing Flouw's praises just .

On the other hand you cry about other overseas players.

You can't have your cake and eat it.

Tell me know you aren't happy to see Flo running around in green. He has been immense.
Ok so you suggest I dont support the Boks if they have the wrong systems or coach in place? You yourself was one of the bitters for four years about the previous coach and still supported them. I'll state it again that I dont like the picking of Flo or what ever chicken running Springbok. We have been through this many times and this stay the same.
 

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Andrew Slack (58)
Ok so you suggest I dont support the Boks if they have the wrong systems or coach in place? You yourself was one of the bitters for four years about the previous coach and still supported them. I'll state it again that I dont like the picking of Flo or what ever chicken running Springbok. We have been through this many times and this stay the same.

Where did I say you are not supporting them?

You were happy to see Flo selected. Don't make as if you weren't. You can't have different standards for a player just because you like him.

Cluck.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Where did I say you are not supporting them?

You were happy to see Flo selected. Don't make as if you weren't. You can't have different standards for a player just because you like him.

Cluck.
Read my post used as a qoute or are you to stupid or to stubborn?

I'll state it again that I dont like the picking of Flo or what ever chicken running Springbok
I'll state it again that I dont like the picking of Flo or what ever chicken running Springbok
I'll state it again that I dont like the picking of Flo or what ever chicken running Springbok

Get it?
 

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Andrew Slack (58)
Bullshit.

The only thing you said when Flo was picked in the RC was that he had to start. You said he was the "missing link". You never complained in fact I can recall you singing his praises.

Now that you are called out you suddenly change your story. Poor form.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Bullshit.

The only thing you said when Flo was picked in the RC was that he had to start. You said he was the "missing link". You never complained in fact I can recall you singing his praises.

Now that you are called out you suddenly change your story. Poor form.
My meaning of missing link was the fetcher role he play. Meyer havent pick one before, tried Coetzee who is more the Schalk version. heard through the grape vines his rugby career is finished.

Understand the Ier will play in black in this test. Weird.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
You guys are getting all the luck, Ferris joining Best, Kearney and O'Driscoll on the sidelines. Their 4 best players imo.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
In my opinion Ferris is their biggest loss. He is an absolute beast when he's healthy.

With Kearney also gone I am feeling a little easier, but not much.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
You guys are getting all the luck, Ferris joining Best, Kearney and O'Driscoll on the sidelines. Their 4 best players imo.
Well the Bokke have it even worse regarding injuries Frans Steyn, Brain Habana, Johan Goosen, Pierre Spies, Schalk Burger, Heinrich Brussouw, Andries Bekker, Bismarckt du Plessis just to name a few.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Not really, Louw, Alberts, Vermeulen is a more than capable backrow. IMO, it's better than Brussow, Burger, Spies.

Pieterson slots in for Habana and Strauss is nearly as good as Bismarck.
 

Mank

Ted Thorn (20)
Not really, Louw, Alberts, Vermeulen is a more than capable backrow. IMO, it's better than Brussow, Burger, Spies.

Pieterson slots in for Habana and Strauss is nearly as good as Bismarck.

I agree with you about the back row. I prefer Pieterson over Habana currently. I think Frans and Bismarck are the biggest losses.
 

PiXeL_Ninja

Bill Watson (15)
It must be remembered that Habana is a 11 and Pieterson is 14, Habana was just filling in for JPP. With both of them fit, Hougaard would get cut for Habana.

WRT that backrow, I think that they have pretty much solidified their spots as a combination.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Not really, Louw, Alberts, Vermeulen is a more than capable backrow. IMO, it's better than Brussow, Burger, Spies.

Pieterson slots in for Habana and Strauss is nearly as good as Bismarck.
Compare to the Iere it all add up to player depth. Personally I feel Meyer miss the boat by picking all the current chicken runners. Would have been much better to pick our young guns and give them their chance at the highest level. See he now wants to pick Mugabe. Vrekken hell.
 
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