Shute Shield 2012

[Hugh Jarse]

Now we are approaching the business end of the season, it may be timely to review some of the business of the season.

I didn't get to as many venues as I would have liked to this season, but I got around to enough. I'd be interested in comments about Canteen, coffee and BBQ at the various venues.

I feel that the standards have dropped off somewhat from previous years (2008 was probably the season that this snout last attended nearly all Shute Shield ovals). Along with the quality of the BBQ (in particular), the service at canteen in many canteens has become more business production line like and less friendly, and at one not to be mentioned oval, the service was almost surly and food range very poor.

Knowing that the canteen and BBQ money is going to a good cause, I don't mind visiting the canteen and throwing some hard earned cash over the counter, but some clubs need to lift their game.

 

[Dave Beat]

Lets go back to top 6 and have only 2 ovals not 4 to worry about. Oops Manly's 4th grade wouldn't get a start.

Keithy, it is impossible to please all, and it is never easy. If it was top 6 home and away we possibly still would have made the 6.
I'm looking forward to the finals! I was looking at it from a supporter angle having to travel both days.
It could be a plus, what's your knowledge - we will have Fresh Reserves for 1's and 3's on Sat that can play on Sunday?

 

[Dave Beat]

I suppose the format shouldnt really suprise after the 'split comp' decision this year. Really laughable stuff. I look forward to see what they throw up in 2013. I would be more than confident they won't go with the same format than in 2012. Little wonder the Waratahs are the way they are.

Tahs will be on fire next year with the new coach.
I would love the SShield to start earlier so we can have a full home and away.

 

[MACCA]

My slightly tongue in cheek remarks are based on the fact that the wicks have underperformed this year. If they limit themselves to coaches who have played for the wicks, then when this years cohort of players are lining up to coach in about 10 years, they may be in a bit of trouble.

Back on thread. You get the feeling that the Wicks seem to be a club stuck in the past and living the glories of the shamatuer 80's. Unless they move with the times, they will remain stuck in the past and more progressive outfits like the Mighty Two Blues (and Belly) will leave them behind.

Yes - your idea makes sense. Time for the Wicks to modernise. It still is a great rugby brand and attracts strong colts.

 

[Tahboy]

How many grades did the progressive two blue make the finals
Obviously the two blues only focus on one grade how is that being progressive

 

[lily]

Your an idiot.

 

[Dave Beat]

Your an idiot.

LOL sensational

 

[no9]

How many grades did the progressive two blue make the finals
Obviously the two blues only focus on one grade how is that being progressive

So can anybody remember who won the Henderson Shield in 1989 or 67 or 95 other than the guys who played?

 

[Ole Two Blue]

How many grades did the progressive two blue make the finals
Obviously the two blues only focus on one grade how is that being progressive

TB. The answer is 1. Obviously I'm Parra friendly, but surely you cant deny the progress and improvements made since 2010 when your beloved Waratahs and the genius of then CEO Jim L'Estrange attempted to remove them entirely from existence. We had to start somewhere in the rebuild. And I think Belly got it right when he focused on 1st Grade. They clearly had to stop the bleeding at the top to be able to refocus and retain their juniors into colts for tomorrow. If 1st grade continued to be on the wrong end of 100 point floggings, it would have been the end. From what Ryan09 has written, there is going to be a great focus on Colts for next year......and good on them.

 

[2bluesfan]

How many grades did the progressive two blue make the finals
Obviously the two blues only focus on one grade how is that being progressive

Tahboy, I am very sorry to see such bitterness, and I hope it is just a moment of frustration on your part that led you to write that, notwithstanding considerable evidence to the contrary. I hope that one day you will find it in your heart to accept that Parra is a club doing it tough and that many good people within our club are trying to turn that situation around. It's a big job. I'm not sure how quickly you think we could have done it - two years ago we were getting flogged by a zillion every week - perhaps you could enlighten us, you seem to believe you know our situation.

If you do find the time to provide a considered critique, please be assured that there is no need to dumb it down for us westies, we'll struggle through.

Cheers
2bluesfan

 

[Tahboy]

Bloody hell, randwick get bagged for not being a club moving forward and are being passed by progressive clubs like parramatta
I say how many grades did the progressive parramatta club get into the finals and how many did the going backwards club Randwick get into the finals. Simple question but obviously to difficult for some
Sorry to say there is no bitterness because parramatta made the finals, that is laughable.

 

[I like to watch]

Where did Parra come from, to earn a finals spot?
Where did the Wicks come from?
Is one going forward?
Is one going backwards?
It appears to me that one club is improving and spending within it's means. The other one is your club.

 

[Blackers13]

Bloody hell, randwick get bagged for not being a club moving forward and are being passed by progressive clubs like parramatta
I say how many grades did the progressive parramatta club get into the finals and how many did the going backwards club Randwick get into the finals. Simple question but obviously to difficult for some
Sorry to say there is no bitterness because parramatta made the finals, that is laughable.

I can't comment on Randwick and my comments on Parra are from mere observation, however what is noticeable at Parramatta is a feeling that they are on the right track for the future. The elements for success seem to be there with an effective head coach and assistants, a savvy and dedicated GM, a unified board, a supportive major sponsor, a huge potential talent base and overall a shared will to get the club to the top of Sydney Rugby, not just first grade. Of course, as Ol' Two Blue points out, they had to start by making first grade competitive to regain confidence from the rugby and local communities, juniors and sponsors. Whether they can continue the rebuild remains to be seen, but there certainly seems to be a determination to do so.

 

[Tahboy]

I agree ryan9 If Parra have plans to improve there colts then they are on the right track. I look forward to next season and see what happens.
Southern Districts spent many many years focusing just on 1st grade and went nowhere fast even when they had the great Max Currie running the show. Wasn't until they looked a bit more at there colts and juniors that they started to go a bit better

 

[the coach]

I believe Jeff was talking about the licenced club.

From the Fitz Files today.

WHAT THEY SAID
Jeff Sayle, on Randwick Rugby Club's parlous financial state: ''If we don't amalgamate we would probably cease to be here.'' Staggering.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/the-fitz-files/its-time-to-revisit-the-crawford-report-20120817-24e2f.html#ixzz23sTEiZvg

Is this about the Rugby Club or the licenced club amalgamating or both?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

I believe Jeff was talking about the licenced club.

That would still affect the cashflow for the rugby club wouldn't it? At least with a merger there is a hope that some money can still flow into the beneficiaries.

Of late there have been a stack of smaller community based licenced clubs that have gone to the wall all around the state. Some have been purchased as a loss making venture by the superclubs for their poker machine licences. Some have just been shut down, or the development sharks have got a bargain for the land value.

Sad really. I am not sure that the government forsaw this happening when they increased the poker machine levies and taxes.

 

[Tahboy]

Because the Randwick licence club has been struggling financialy the rugby side has been propping it up with money so in effect the rugby side will be better off as they don't have to put a stack of money into the licence club each year
All I have heard is that everything stays basically the same just different staff running the club

 

[2bluesfan]

Because the Randwick licence club has been struggling financialy the rugby side has been propping it up with money so in effect the rugby side will be better off as they don't have to put a stack of money into the licence club each year

I don't understand how this would work. Are the players donating back to the licensed club?Untold (!) reserves of cash within the Rugby Club? Clever accounting?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

^^^ Ground hire payment invoices from the Tahs?

Proping up the Licenced club could only come from Jeff Sayle and others from the rugby side of things purchasing refreshments from the same.

Rugby club couldn't pay to hire coogee oval from Randwick Council last year.

 

[2bluesfan]

^^^ Ground hire payment invoices from the Tahs?

Proping up the Licenced club could only come from Jeff Sayle and others from the rugby side of things purchasing refreshments from the same.

Rugby club couldn't pay to hire coogee oval from Randwick Council last year.

Thanks HJ, I knew there's be a logical explanation. Ground hire, of course.