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Should The Wallabies be doing a Bumala-y Yuurrama-y?

Do you support the Wallabies completing a pre-game Bumala-y Yuurrama-y

  • yes

    Votes: 10 23.8%

  • no

    Votes: 32 76.2%
  • Total voters
    42
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ChargerWA

ChargerWA

Mark Loane (55)
Expanding on a post from Teach

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/co...m-sydney-august-8th.15807/page-19#post-770431

I've previously rejected the notion that the Wallabies should complete their own pre game war dance/ritual because it seemed to be copying the kiwis in search of some faux talisman, but the Adam Goodes controversy has been an eye opening thing to happen to this country. For the first time large swathes of Australian society are standing up and admitting we have a deeply ingrained problem with racism.

We have a unique opportunity to harness this ground swell and creat something important that means something to an inclusive society going forward. In this vein of thought, I wonder who would be in favour of the Wallabies completing a pre-game Bumala-y Yuurrama-y, on the condition that it was widely supported by the Aboriginal community?
 
kiap

kiap

Steve Williams (59)
Fairy muff. Here's the AFL one to help me decide:

Let Goodes continue with this as his goal celebration. All power to him.

As an Australian rugby "haka", I'm voting no.

I'm also vetoing the Morris Dance, Michael Flatley's Irish dancing, and the Chinese New Year Dragon Dance.

Let's stick to rugby at the rugby.
 
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Forcefield

Ken Catchpole (46)
Doesn't seem right to me. Doesn't seem like it would be right to our players either. Who exactly would you consult if you did ask the "Aboriginal community"? If you did consult very, very widely and the consensus was yes and a dance was invented, it seems like something that should only be done in response to the Haka.

Seems like the only reason you would ever do something like this is if you wanted to demonstrate respect to Australia's Aboriginal heritage. Rather than copying what New Zealand does, maybe we should be finding our own way to acknowledge that heritage that actually means something to the players and the fans.
 
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Moono75

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ChargerWA said:
Expanding on a post from Teach

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/co...m-sydney-august-8th.15807/page-19#post-770431

I've previously rejected the notion that the Wallabies should complete their own pre game war dance/ritual because it seemed to be copying the kiwis in search of some faux talisman, but the Adam Goodes controversy has been an eye opening thing to happen to this country. For the first time large swathes of Australian society are standing up and admitting we have a deeply ingrained problem with racism.

We have a unique opportunity to harness this ground swell and creat something important that means something to an inclusive society going forward. In this vein of thought, I wonder who would be in favour of the Wallabies completing a pre-game Bumala-y Yuurrama-y, on the condition that it was widely supported by the Aboriginal community?
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That would be an example of tokenism at its best. How about we go for a meaningful understanding and incorporation of Aboriginal culture and traditions into the community before adopting something that would simply appear to be reactionary and a token appeasement to the media surrounding this. Cultural change takes place over generations, not an overnight directive from the ARU saying from now on were doing this before each game fellas.

Steve Moore "Bill mate this new dance, why we doing it again"

Bill Pulver "Steve its to show support to Adam and to show we're not racist"

Steve Moore "But I'm not racist Bill. Whats the dance all about though?"

Bill Pulver "Its kinda like the Haka Steve....but it's Australian.....and it'll look good on TV"

Steve Moore "Oh. Well why didn't we do it 30 years ago?"

Bill Pulver "Well it wasn't a headline then"

In summary. Do it because its seen to be important......not because its important to be seen doing it.
 
Brumby Runner

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
Think we should take heed of the lessons of history. A war cry would more than likely still be seen as a piece of affectation. No pre-game theatrics please just to copy the ABs.

But it does seem from the various reports above that the Waratahs (Wallabies) might have had the choreography and presentation down pat long before the ABs' haka became the piece of theatre it now is.
 
wamberal

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
The history of our game in this country does not stand up to any scrutiny when it comes to our relationship to the first people.


We were still hosting the whites only Springboks and touring apartheid South Africa a bit over 40 years ago.


Our first indigenous Wallaby (Lloyd McDermott) did not divulge his indigenous heritage until many years after his career has ended because he knew that his people were not welcome in the game.

Rugby in Australia does not have much of a record of inclusion until very recently, at any level.


If our indigenous players initiated some sort of gesture to support their people we should of course support and ecourage them in any way we can.


Otherwise we should just shut our mouths and reflect on the evils of the past.
 
Pfitzy

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Several hundred tribal groups.
Nearly as many indigenous dialects.
How would you put THAT together?
Given some of the Arnhem tribes couldn't care less for their southern neighbours etc. etc.

The Maori tribes still have their distinct borders and varying customs, but there are only eleven of them from memory. Big difference.
 
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Forcefield

Ken Catchpole (46)
Agree. It would be a sign of respect without the taint of commercialism.

So who wants to call up the ARU and suggest this one? And how badly do you think they'll fuck it up?
 
Beer Baron

Beer Baron

Phil Hardcastle (33)
How has there been no comment about the appropriateness of imitating throwing a spear at someone? Iirc there was a lot of whinging about the Hakka throat slit. . However I digress, any dance of ours will be a cheap and obvious imitation of the Haka. As per kiap above, the pre game stuff, if necessary, should be saved for special occasions.... Maybe the opening ceremony of the World Cup unless we want to start combining rugby with X factor?

I also don't think there is an issue with racism in rugby in Australia anyhow. If there is, the selectors have a funny way of showing it! The Reds do the aboriginal round (not sure about the others), the lloyd McDermott schoolboy team.
My random Sunday thoughts...
 
wamberal

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
Beer Baron said:
I also don't think there is an issue with racism in rugby in Australia anyhow. If there is, the selectors have a funny way of showing it! The Reds do the aboriginal round (not sure about the others), the lloyd McDermott schoolboy team.
My random Sunday thoughts.
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Maybe not now, but there sure as hell used to be, ironically Lloyd McDermott is a classic example, if you know the history of the sport. He was not known to have aboriginal heritage when he played the game, he hid his heritage to avoid discrimination. (A friend of mine played for Queensland during McDermott's career, the game was all white back in those days).
 
jollyswagman

jollyswagman

Ron Walden (29)
I would prefer to see a push for the Haka to be stopped. I appreciate the spectacle but is it unreasonable to expect that the opposition stand still an watch (getting cold) while the Haka performing team get to stay nice and warm jumping around. Sadly the Kiwi's would be outraged if any team did there own thing while the Haka was being performed. How about they pick one or the other ....either Haka or anthem....just not both?
 
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